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Female dwarf CaH

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kingsjewel:
A suggestion can be written but it's not neccessary to be accepted.

I won't debate against strong arguments.

Elite KryPtik:
Well I already said that I think there are bigger priorities, I just didn't like the way Dain phrased his argument and wanted something more than just an opinion about it. The argument could also be made that since Dwarf women are so similar in voice and appearence to Dwarf men, that they might have been in armies with nobody knowing about it. In the end though, I don't think its a big deal, and there are more important things to do right now.

Walküre:

--- Zitat von: kingsjewel am 18. Aug 2016, 12:58 ---I won't debate against strong arguments.

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That is up to you, even though you are theoretically supposed (and always invited) to do so. It's definitely better trying to argue your points with your own words whenever you have the possibility to do it; you would otherwise leave the discussion to other people, who can't obviously answer precisely on your behalf and back your thesis as you would like to.

In this case, the lore arguments are quite clear on the matter, though they don't actually exclude it completely: we know that female Dwarves do exist, and the fact that one of them could become a warrior (as a very rare exception) wouldn't be, in my opinion, more at the lore's ends than concepts as Helegwen and the lore-masters currently are (and I think that Helegwen was indeed a great legitimate addition).

So, I would say that what would be really required is the actual will of developing such proposal and the relative time to spend (something quite improbable now, I guess, with other fundamental priorities). Besides, just to give a hint, what about proposing a completely supportive role for this hypothetical heroine (that is, pure support as Erestor's abilities)?

kingsjewel:

--- Zitat von: DieWalküre am 18. Aug 2016, 14:18 ---
--- Zitat von: kingsjewel am 18. Aug 2016, 12:58 ---I won't debate against strong arguments.

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That is up to you, even though you are theoretically supposed (and always invited) to do so. It's definitely better trying to argue your points with your own words whenever you have the possibility to do it; you would otherwise leave the discussion to other people, who can't obviously answer precisely on your behalf and back your thesis as you would like to.

In this case, the lore arguments are quite clear on the matter, though they don't actually exclude it completely: we know that female Dwarves do exist, and the fact that one of them could become a warrior (as a very rare exception) wouldn't be, in my opinion, more at the lore's ends than concepts as Helegwen and the lore-masters currently are (and I think that Helegwen was indeed a great legitimate addition).

So, I would say that what would be really required is the actual will of developing such proposal and the relative time to spend (something quite improbable now, I guess, with other fundamental priorities). Besides, just to give a hint, what about proposing a completely supportive role for this hypothetical heroine (that is, pure support as Erestor's abilities)?

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There are really strong argument against my suggestion. The ' lore arguments' are debatable (lore doesn't say, for example,  there is female elf warrior class, or Tauriel...) but I can't debate with the others.  Originally I didn't think that wrote this suggestion, and this suggestion is not very important for me. There had been a conversation on Moddb about this , only that's why I wrote this topic.
I see there is a misunderstanding about my hero. I didn't want a recruited hero(like Helegwen)  just a CaH hero. I didn't think about specific skills.
About priorities : Really not the Dwarven faction is important. I think Dwarves are almost finished. Dwarven units and heroes have the best textures. Dwarven ringheroes need a ringhero avatar (like Saruman or the black Gandalf) and Dáin's abilities need changes (Possibly ThorinIII as ringhero for Erebor) that's all.

Walküre:

--- Zitat von: kingsjewel am 18. Aug 2016, 19:25 ---I see there is a misunderstanding about my hero. I didn't want a recruited hero (like Helegwen) just a CaH hero. I didn't think about specific skills.

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I did perfectly understand that yours were a CaH proposal. What I wanted to point out is that the idea of a Dwarven female hero would stretch the lore no less than Helegwen and the lore-masters actually do. I don't consider it as a negative argument at all; it was just a remark of mine regarding the very legitimacy of this concept.

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