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Imladris' lack of proper Mass slayer hero

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Lord of Mordor:
Elrond is meant to be Rivendell's AoE hero, and with three abilities to that effect (flood horses, his passive AoE damage later and Vilya) I'd say hes conceptually well positioned for the role. Of course, if his abilities are too weak they can be easily buffed, but I don't think more fundamental hero reworks are necessary here.

sr_dark:
Okay so I've been testing Elrond a lot since I read what you said Lord of Mordor and what you say is true, he is conceptually well positioned, what makes it hard to tell I noticed is that his flood horses for example can't be set to autocast so you have to constantly pay attention to it, but overall, the main issue regarding his role vs ability is definitely Vilya.
I already explained that what I consider the problem with it is that it does almost no damage and its more of a stun to run or disrupt, but that was without taking into account that he is a mass slayer.

Now considering the later, as he is a mass slayer, his level 10 really really needs to be buffed, comparing it to some of the lvl 10 mass slayer abilities like Gandalf's word of power, Saruman's Thunder, Zaphragor's Raging Anger; it is more than safe to say that Vilya , severely pales in comparison to the damage they can do to units, and should be buffed to their level

Slawek56703:

--- Zitat von: sr_dark am  3. Jan 2017, 17:48 ---Okay so I've been testing Elrond a lot since I read what you said Lord of Mordor and what you say is true, he is conceptually well positioned, what makes it hard to tell I noticed is that his flood horses for example can't be set to autocast so you have to constantly pay attention to it, but overall, the main issue regarding his role vs ability is definitely Vilya.
I already explained that what I consider the problem with it is that it does almost no damage and its more of a stun to run or disrupt, but that was without taking into account that he is a mass slayer.

Now considering the later, as he is a mass slayer, his level 10 really really needs to be buffed, comparing it to some of the lvl 10 mass slayer abilities like Gandalf's word of power, Saruman's Thunder, Zaphragor's Raging Anger; it is more than safe to say that Vilya , severely pales in comparison to the damage they can do to units, and should be buffed to their level

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I agree with flood horse ability auto cast seems nice addition to thier usage and Vilya need some additional effect or just simply increased damage to show Elrond Mass Slayer role better also this is after all level 10 ability  ;) some buff is really needed but with this Vilya to Word of Power or Zaphragor Raging Anger comparision is a little to much. In addition to what i said i would increase a little duration of this ability and Elrond imo should get 1% with each level up increased damage by his spell and time reduction to cast the them . Let's not ignore Elrond bloodline.

Btw. Galadriel,WitchKing's,Sauron,Zaphragor,Gulzar and heroes who simply have the most magic abilities should get this some level up bonues like wizard's if they didn't already

Walküre:
I'm in favour of strengthening Vilya a bit. It's Elrond's ultimate ability, after all, and we're also talking about the mightiest of the Three Rings. Therefore, if there are some chances, I agree with giving that feature a boost whatsoever.

Garlodur:
Although I agree with increasing the effective use of Vilya as a level 10 ability, it must be noted that ot should never come close to the tornado Elrond can summon in vanilla BfME2 and RotWK. I think that the team paid close attention to making this ability not too strong because it is an extreme representation of magic in Tolkien's universe.

I am not sure how the ability can be strengthened besides a damage buff. It seems to be an easy solution but Rivendell has some 'mass-slayer' units too, who alongside Elrond should deal massive damage to entire orc armies. Imladris, I want to point out, has many options to deal with large clusters of enemies, whereas Gondor/Arnor has few, and Angmar has a couple more. Hence Elrond's weaker position compared to Gandalf, and only half of the times to Zaphragor since he loses ability damage at lower health.

Some suggestions for increasing Vilya's effectiveness: straight damage increase, increased effect range, additional meta-effects (like stun or higher knockback), increasing Elrond's armour against ranged attacks, or reducing the cooldown timer.

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