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A canonical Gandalf

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dkbluewizard:
While we can hide from the issue of the swords canonicity by stating balance issues, design flaws, furthing a specified role, and "furthering goals" the truth is they were powerful swords that surpassed Anduriel and were canonical to Thorin and Gandalf's being.

As innumerably demonstrated in the books, Glamdring and Orcrist both had further goals. One, Glamdring was instrumental in taking down the Balrog of Morgoth. It is conceivable that without it, Gandalf would have been destroyed by the Balrog easily, but with it he broke the Balrog's sword, fought the Balrog and ended up chasing him up the mountain, and it was key in slaying the Great Goblin. So it had many goals that Tolkien wrote about and significance that made it a mightier blade that furthered Gandalf's importance/role in Middle Earth.

To Diewalkure, the lightning sword attack doesn't represent Glamdring, that represents Gandalf's power. Even Saruman can do lightning spells as demonstrated in game and on screen. It would not be hard to implement the +50% damage boost to Gandalf for his Gondor version and not Arnor. Not difficult at all and still allows Gandalf to keep his current powers.

The same could be said for Thorin and he eventually loses Orcrist when he is crowned King, so losing the +50% bonus would still be okay to have but to diminish later.

Now for Narya, I don't mind what you have presented Garlodur, I think the abilities are cool, but I don't think it should take up all three of Gandalf's stances. I feel it should be on Defense with everything that you said and if you click it again (while in defense stance) then it does the powers that you suggested. However, there should be something still for the standard and offensive stances.

The only way I would honestly concede to Narya being totally used as just a one stance system is if Glamdring did the +50% damage bonus passively to Gandalf as that is the most canonical. Otherwise, we "change his role" by switching his stances up like that and thus damaging his character and role that Ealendril worked so hard to put together and does not want changed.

So with that said, I would accept the idea of Narya being fully implemented in just one slot if Glamdring does the +50% bonus for Gondor Gandalf.

Walküre:
Blue Wizard, you too have pointed out how Glamdring was needed to slay the Balrog and I have absolute respect for that kind of swords: forged by the Noldor and imbued by them with extraordinary properties (it's maybe easier to channel Magic via them) to withstand the horrors of the First Age. That said, in my personal opinion, Lightning Sword (both due to its linkage to Glamdring and to the cinematographic interpretation of that duel) simply represents both Gandalf's powers and his sword's might at the same time. Fact that will be even more indicative in the next patch.

By the way, if I'm not wrong, Lightning Sword used to be called Glamdring, in the 3.8.1 version. I wouldn't mind at all if they reintroduced the past title again, instead of the generic 'Lightning Sword'. I personally think that would suffice to give Glamdring that additional prominence in the game.

dkbluewizard:
Well calling it Glamdring wouldn't do anything in my mind--and the reason why Edain Team calls it Lightning Sword now, is because Gandalf didn't have Glamdring when he was with Arnor. So that is the reason they changed it. Maybe we could just add a passive power like Sauron has on the side of Gondor's power tree representing Narya or Glamdring. That could possibly work too, and that would solve the issue easily since Gondor and Arnor have different powers.

lordoflinks:
My view on this is that Gondor Gandalf can stay as he his bar a Narya power; although renaming Lighting Sword to Glamdring is a good idea.
Arnor Gandalf when he receives the Glamdring ability, recieves a damage buff; this can also make up for the fact Arnor do not get Gandalf the white.

Hamanathnath:

--- Zitat von: DieWalküre am  2. Jan 2017, 23:57 ---Going back to Narya, thank you for sharing your ideas, Garlodur. I won't add any additional thought on the matter yet though, as I and another Beta Tester are conceiving a new proposal, which aims to find a compromise among our views (always based on my first draft) and to make the concept technically feasible in the first place.

--- Ende Zitat ---

Yes, DieWalküre and I have come up with a compromise for Narya that not only is technically (which I'll explain later), but, in our eyes, makes sense with the whole theme of Narya not having a direct or physical effect, but boosting Gandalf internally.

First, let us get into the technical side of this.  Units/Heroes need to have a either a standard stance swap, or a unique stance swap (similar to what Thranduil, Helegwen, Denethor and Malbeth have).  If they don't, this will cause certain bugs.  So, you can't outright replace Gandalf's stance swap with an ability focused on Narya.  So unless one of Gandalf's other abilities are replace, something that I can pretty much guarantee won't ever happen, Gandalf will not have an active or passive ability involving Narya.

So, DieWalküre and I worked with what we had and came up with stance swap that will involve Narya.  The name suggested by DieWalküre is Repatriation of Narya to Gandalf.

To keep The Ring of Fire more of an amplifier rather then it having a direct of physically effect, it will affect Gandalf in a more passive way.

On "Aggressive Stance" , the Ring of Fire will be focused more on amplifying Gandalf in an offensive manor, increasing his spell damage by 25%, but halving the frequency of Gandalf activating his Bubble Shield (or outright not allowing it to activate, which ever works better).

On "Defensive Stance", the Ring of Fire will be focused more on amplifying Gandalf in a defensive manor, doubling the frequency of Gandalf activating his Bubble Shield, but reducing his spell damage by 25%.  "Battle Stance" will remain unchanged.

Of course, the numbers can be tweaked to whatever is the most balanced for Gandalf. 

As for Cirdan, because Gandalf will have Narya, the name of his first ability will have to be changed, maybe to something like "Gift of the Grey Havens".  Though I don't think it is necessary to change the effects of the ability, as it still makes sense for Cirdan to inspire allies.

Thoughts and suggestions on everything are greatly appreciated.  :)

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