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Imladris Ring Hero Ideas

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Walküre:
I wouldn't view heroes themselves as a problem; not if you refer to different factions and potential replicas of the same hero. It may happen that one sees identical heroes battling each other during a game, even though that depends simply on the opponent's choice. It might be that you could face identical factions and thus have the same heroes fight their own enemy counterparts. Strange, of course, yet merely dependent on that kind of eventualities in a game. Personally, I don't consider it a valid reason to jettison the current concept. Issues are relevant when they deal with timeline, lore, balance or conceptual aspects. I could find myself in the unpleasant situation of fighting numerous replicas of Galadriel, if all my opponents have chosen that faction, but that would not question the propriety of the heroine's presence in her faction. It is a simplistic explanation, but it exemplifies the main reasoning.


--- Zitat von: Aranruth am 23. Sep 2017, 18:52 ---Just to be clear, I'm not trying to cause conflict. I think the Edain team has successfully created one of the best LOTR games ever. I simply want to discuss the current mechanics and see if there are better alternatives. Open discussion is one of the things that makes this mod truly great.

--- Ende Zitat ---

You're causing no conflict, at all. If you cherish debates, this is the proper place.

SP19XX:
I'm personally of the opinion that Imladris should have a second option for their Ring Hero. Not because of the potential of duplicates of one hero omnipresent in one battle, but more in the sense that the trending theme of Good factions is that each of them has more than one choice of a ring hero, or ring hero outcome (Gandalf and Galadriel) that requires the player to put some thought into their choices.

I do however disagree with the above selection for quite a few of the reasons pointed out above, most of them would be uncharacteristic or unfitting within the confines of the game. I believe the best actual candidate for this would be Glorfindel if it were to occur, which I will outline below;

Glorfindel was one of the most powerful elves that existed in the third age, he was sent back by Mandos due to his deeds of heroism as a direct emissary for the Valar by Manwe, and was given power almost equal to that of an unrestrained Maiar. His power was so great even that at the council of Elrond, he was suggested as a potential member, only to be dismissed as his power would draw far too much attention to keep the ring secret. He also held no fear of the Nazgul, Sauron's strongest servants, and there is also some implied underlying fear among the Nazgul of Glorfindel were he to use his abilities to their potential.

With this in mind I was thinking perhaps this could draw upon a what if should Glorfindel were to use his full strength in battle. Turning him from a Tank into a Debuffer of both heroes and units alike, perhaps even affecting his own allies.

Aranruth:
Maybe, but Glorfindel would, like Elrond, never have accepted the ring. So, having mass debuff wouldn't suit him. I like the idea of incorporating him in some way, but his function as a ring hero would probably be as a "Blessed" hero who rejects the ring.

SP19XX:
True, though this is a somewhat "what-if" scenario as with both of Gandalf's ring hero forms. It can work via both methods, though he has already been blessed by the Valar, so it would also be interesting to see how that could potentially be corrupted as well.

Walküre:
I don't like Glorfindel either, as an option. As you said, he would never accept to bear the bane of Elves, Men and Middle-earth as a whole. The theme of refusal is proper of Galadriel and so it ought to remain, I daresay. As for Gandalf the Blessed, I reckon he's a quite controversial figure; he would too never use the One Ring for any purpose. The Valar would rather condemn whom accepts it. Moreover, just to reiterate your own words, Glorfindel has already been blessed with a new life and with an imperative mission in the mortal continent.

The Fellowship is truly the sole viable solution; that's why it was conceived in the first place. The struggle of dealing with the One Ring issue is even present in the very books; we could draw some comparisons. The Council of Elrond had gone through all sorts of different alternatives, albeit none of them satisfying the core problem underlying such an artefact. The Fellowship was summoned as a last resource. I therefore infer that an akin dilemma was within the Edain Team ;)

They even suggested the One be shipped to Eressëa, beyond the sundering seas. Suggestions rejected, for the Ruling Ring embodied the Evil and all the flaws of the World, which the people of Middle-earth only should have mended.

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