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Smaug, the Chiefest and Greatest of Calamities

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Walküre:
I absolutely second what has been stated by Julio. Further additions to a splendid concept, crafted with passion and much care! Now, you only need to replace the modified (definitive) version with the one showcased in the front page of the thread. Also, thank you very much for including my little composition too; I'm always more than glad to know that my lyrics are appreciated by someone else, somewhere in the forum ;)

As for abilities and quotations from the very character, I dare say we are quite lucky, this time: Smaug is fortunately a prideful dragon, used to boasting about his might and praising his own physical prowess. So, most of his abilities may be matched with the proper line for our scope, in tune with the context. And, as far as I have knowledge of, the Edain Team already disposes of all lines of his from DOS; I would say it's well enough to come up with a truly great hero.

OakenShield224:
I've already said how brilliant this concept is and nothing has changed in that regard. This is one of the best concepts I've read! I especially like how the central spell could affect the other creeps so it isn't just dragon focused.

I do have one question though. From what I've read, it seems like Smaug will only be available from the Dragon Lair. While this is appropriate for the character, it will mean that the Ring Hero for MM will be limited to an outpost hero (a limitation that no other faction has). Wouldn't this give MM a disadvantage?

AulëTheSmith:

--- Zitat von: Walküre am  8. Mär 2018, 16:39 ---I absolutely second what has been stated by Julio. Further additions to a splendid concept, crafted with passion and much care! Now, you only need to replace the modified (definitive) version with the one showcased in the front page of the thread. Also, thank you very much for including my little composition too; I'm always more than glad to know that my lyrics are appreciated by someone else, somewhere in the forum ;)

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Thank you Walküre for your compliments, it's a pleausre to develope further such a mighty hero for the community !
I read the composition some weeks ago when you composed it, and i like it very much, it introduce the arrive of Smaug perfectly!


--- Zitat von: Walküre am  8. Mär 2018, 16:39 ---And, as far as I have knowledge of, the Edain Team already disposes of all lines of his from DOS; I would say it's well enough to come up with a truly great hero.

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I remember that they like a lot Smaug voice and quotes. However i didn't know they just collected the lines, that's a good news!! xD
I can't imagine anyone in the world who has something to complain about the splendid interpretation of Cumberbatch, even the most crititique of purist must admit this fact!


--- Zitat von: OakenShield224 am  8. Mär 2018, 18:32 ---I've already said how brilliant this concept is and nothing has changed in that regard. This is one of the best concepts I've read! I especially like how the central spell could affect the other creeps so it isn't just dragon focused.
I do have one question though. From what I've read, it seems like Smaug will only be available from the Dragon Lair. While this is appropriate for the character, it will mean that the Ring Hero for MM will be limited to an outpost hero (a limitation that no other faction has). Wouldn't this give MM a disadvantage?

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First of all, thank you again for your praises, Oaken  :)
I remember someone raised a similar question some time ago but i could be wrong, were it you? In that case i'm sorry if i forgot to answer and i forward my thoughts now:
For what i know it is also an idea of the team to confine Smaug in an external structure. I like more this option too, because i cannot see any of the three citadel (Goblin town, Gundabad, Moria) as a good place to host Smaug, whatever structures you are considering. Even treasure cave, since i suppose it will be a sort of "armory" of Gundabad, the heavy infantry of Goblins.
That was more a lore pov.
Said that, coming to the game-play pov: maybe yes, it's a disadvantage. You have to capture an outpost defending it from opponents.
However, my hope is that the player will be rewarded with the most powerful ring hero in game, second only to Sauron  xD

Walküre:
Correct. As far as I know, the Edain Team has all the needed quotes already. They were collected by two very dedicated fans, at the dawn of the international community, to whom my utmost gratitude goes. Indeed. They have patiently cut most of the lines for every hero of each faction, making it possible for us to have a true English version of the Mod, because, otherwise, only the in-game texts would have been translated.

Given that, I assume, this was done before the actual release of BOTFA, I think we may use the sole lines from the second film; and I deem it well enough. Yet, if anyone is willing to undertake such task, having his lines from BOTFA at disposal would be equally great.

Tiberius Ogden:
I support general idea and I really like all skills, wonderful arguments behind them and not generic like "fireball" or something like that.  8-|

But I have problem with some things:
1) That Smaug is summonable from the beginning and you have to unlock him through the spellbook. That is quite boring for me and it doesn't help to anything. Also I wonder how AI will react.
2) It leads me to second thing - levelling. Game is based on levelling. You level heroes, units, buildings ... it has not only strategic but mainly RPG feeling. I would be careful with exceptions and Smaug doesn't seem to me like the best candidate for it. He isn't so ancient ... Sauron is ancient, Galadriel is ancient, wizards-maiar are ancient. They are definitely better candidates to start with full arsenal of powers (I mean on level 10 as you proposed for Smaug)
3) Smaug as a central spell. Honestly I don't know if Smaug is crucial for the faction like Saruman for Isengard, Galadriel for Lorien or Sauron for Mordor. I always considered him as powerful and unique additon which is above the whole goblin's faction and he, as a very strong entity, is quite separate and uncontrollable ... exactly like Balrog who is only temporar while Smaug is permanent. But their characterization is the same.
I can imagine that Misty Mountains faction needs rather some active and offensive central spell, which underlines their aggressive gamestyle ...  8-)

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