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Smaug, the Chiefest and Greatest of Calamities

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dkbluewizard:
Well let's just put a laser cannon on Smaug's back and have him shoot beams, that should be quite unique indeed... [ugly] [uglybunti]

The reason I brought up Theoden is because he was actually inhibited (books) or taken over (movie) by Saruman/Wormtongue. He is a ring hero so the ability that is proposed for Smaug would effect him if going by canon.

AulëTheSmith:

--- Zitat von: dkbluewizard am 19. Nov 2017, 17:57 ---Well let's just put a laser cannon on Smaug's back and have him shoot beams, that should be quite unique indeed... [ugly] [uglybunti]

The reason I brought up Theoden is because he was actually inhibited (books) or taken over (movie) by Saruman/Wormtongue. He is a ring hero so the ability that is proposed for Smaug would effect him if going by canon.

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Quote from the book:


--- Zitat von: Smaug hypnosis ---Bilbo was now beginning to feel really uncomfortable. Whenever Smaug's roving eye, seeking for him in the shadows, flashed across him, he trembled, and an unaccountable desire seized hold of him to rush out and reveal himself and tell all the truth to Smaug. In fact he was in grievous danger of coming under the dragon-spell. But plucking up courage he spoke again.
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The dragon spell that Tolkien describe I think is our hypnotic gaze. Then my question is: if an enemy hero encounter the eyes of Smaug and he's hypnotized, then why Smaug shouldn't be able to force the target to do what he want or to say what he want to know?
I personally don't see this ability so dangerous as you fear dkblue. At least your joke about the laser beam is a bit exaggerated as a comparison. I don't think my proposal goes such so far from our purpose like a laser cannon proposal  [ugly]
Obviously with some constrains and balance wise consideration. My old post of Sauron goes more in this direction I think  :)

dkbluewizard:
I know this from the book very well Aule. Bilbo still didn't take the ring off which shows my point--heroes are not controlled, but inhibited. I'm sorry if you don't think me on board with this. Ask yourself this Aule and everyone else, do you really think Smaug could takeover the Witch King from Mordor? He is not a ring hero in Mordor, he is in Angmar, but not in Mordor. Or do you think he could do this to Glorfindel?

NoldorSithLordsShipwright:
Read the text carefully. Bilbo, at worst, only had flashes of Smaug's gaze, thanks to invisibility (and the Ring was probably helping him resist since the Ring wants to go back to Sauron and not get stuck on a charred hobbit corpse/pile of ash in a dragon hoard).

In this concept, we can assume that target heroes will be getting Smaug's fully focused gaze and against the full might of Smaug's hypnosis.

dkbluewizard:
The issue here is there is no resistance factor like in the books. If Smaug uses the ability, the hero is controlled. I just see that as too powerful, and as far as uniqueness goes. Wormtongue did it.

Edain Team initially had him just taking over average units. What is wrong with this? Why are we trying to make it against heroes?

I mean, if we are to do a black and white list of heroes that should or shouldn't be controlled, then I suggest we list out all the heroes and say which ones could be controlled and which ones shouldn't.

To be honest, I would be okay with Smaug hypnotizing heroes as you guys say if we actually had a list of all the heroes he could and couldn't take over. For instance, I do not believe he could hypnotize any of the Ring Heroes that we have with the exception of Thorin, Boromir, & Theoden:

This includes Elrond, Sauron, Gandalf, etc. But I also don't believe he should be able to hypnotize any of the nazgul (loyal to Sauron, had rings, and no eyes). The following are a list of heroes who I feel would have total resistance to Smaug's gaze.

Imladris: Glorfindel, Elladan/Elrohir (can't focus on both at same time), possibly Arwen if you are saying she has the Elessar, & Cirdan

Gondor: Aragorn & Faramir (if going by the movie he resisted the One Ring).

Lothlorien: Possibly Celeborn and Thranduil are the exceptions but I would let you guys decide that.

Rohan: Everyone is free game

Dwarfs: I would say everyone is free game save for maybe Lord/King Dain

Angmar: Everyone is free game, remember Ring heroes with the exception of Thorin, Theoden, and Boromir fall into this category so the Witch King is the only exception here. Oh and Karsh

Mordor: Mouth of Sauron (magical sight and like the Nazgul, don't feel Smaug could undo what Sauron has done) & All Nazgul.

Isengard: Outside of Saruman, everyone is free game.

Misty Mountains: William, Tom, and Bert for the same reasons as Elladan/Elrohir & Smaug, otherwise everyone else is free game.

Others: Any evil Men save probably the ring heroes would be affected. The Blue Wizards would not be affected, Tom Bombadil, Goldberry, Radagast, Durin's Bane, and  Erebor Gandalf would not be affected either.

If a list like this was implemented in the resistant factor, then I would be for the gaze of Smaug, you guys can debate whether you want the Hobbits affected or not, but Galadriel's light path would allow Frodo to have the ring so he would most likely not be affected.

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