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Durin VII The Last

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AulëTheSmith:

--- Zitat von: Garlodur am 27. Mär 2018, 00:20 ---I see you already counted me in favour, how convenient  ;)

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Thank you for coming here anyway Garlodur, i'm sorry if i didn't ask you but i count you simply because you're an author so it was an obvious fact for me  [ugly].
For any further remark on the topic please do not hesitate to share it  :)


--- Zitat von: Garlodur am 27. Mär 2018, 00:20 ---It's a fine-looking proposal Aulë. I think you managed to persuade many forum members, yet the most important judgment is still hidden in shadows. I hope we won't have to wait till the Fourth Age of this Mod to re-welcome Durin on the battlefield. Just kidding  :D

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For sure, i hope it will be before the Dagor Dagorath  :D  :D. But yes the final judgment it's in the hands for the Valar (ET).

Darkayah:
Your concept is is full of detail, you have picture for abilities and a clear plan.
The only thing is that i'm not sure with the idea that Dains Grandson is the best way for that (because he's not in the game before) and there are so much heirs in the faction but there will be a Compromise i think.

But for the Erebor Dain it's good and  i'm in favor too!

AulëTheSmith:

--- Zitat von: >Darkness< am 31. Mär 2018, 13:51 ---Your concept is is full of detail, you have picture for abilities and a clear plan.
The only thing is that i'm not sure with the idea that Dains Grandson is the best way for that (because he's not in the game before) and there are so much heirs in the faction but there will be a Compromise i think.

But for the Erebor Dain it's good and  i'm in favor too!

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Glad to see you shared your opinion and vote, Darkness  xD And yes, it fits only for Erebor because of the timeline. It would not make any sense to extend Durin VII to the other dwarven factions, both for timeline and order of importance of the other two realms.  We could have endless discussion about lore, because some information are missing. But I think we built up a story that is,at least , consistent with respect to what we know :)
Anyhow, I will insert you in the green list :)

SP19XX:
I'm afraid I have to say that I'm Against - for clarification, I agree with the idea overall and thing it's a nice concept but from a lore perspective it wouldn't be viable, as following the timeline and all information we have on Durin VII, he was not born until the 4th Age, which is based after the timeline of the mod. If it weren't for this factor, I would be for it. If we allow this exception, then exceptions for other factions would also have to be made as well.

AulëTheSmith:

--- Zitat von: SP19XX am 25. Mai 2018, 01:04 ---I'm afraid I have to say that I'm Against - for clarification, I agree with the idea overall and thing it's a nice concept but from a lore perspective it wouldn't be viable, as following the timeline and all information we have on Durin VII, he was not born until the 4th Age, which is based after the timeline of the mod. If it weren't for this factor, I would be for it. If we allow this exception, then exceptions for other factions would also have to be made as well.

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Hi SP19XX,
First of all welcome to the discussion :) secondly, not here but in the other thread we had a discussion about the timeline and so on, but as you can see all is explained in the concept. I don't think you can consider that period as the only possibility. The only date we know for sure is the one of the prophecy, which happened during BOTFA. From that moment until the end of third age, you cannot exclude the birth of Durin's heir. From the lore we know he will "one day appear", that's what is written in the text. For sure he rules also during the 4th age, bringing again prosperity and glory on dwarven race, but it doesn't mean necessarily he appears after war of the ring.
The other exceptions are you talking about (sometimes required by the fans), as they could be Eorl the Young or Gil galad for example, Take into account the matter "using the ring for resurrecting an ancient character", that's why they make less sense than our concept in my opinion (which is about an heir of Durin and based on theme well known from the lore, the reincarnation). For the same reason many fans complained about the past implementation of Durin the Deathless (bring back to life a first age character using the ring). I deem our idea a good one, for sure not perfect because it uses some hypothesis, but a good one. I would like to hear from you a detailed explanation about why lore and timeline are inconsistent :). I'm also glad to discuss with anyone more expert than me on the forum.
 By the way, I will put your name in red list as you wish ;)

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