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Special Formation of Gondor and Arnor Spearmen

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NoldorSithLordsShipwright:
The Syntagma differs from a porcupine in that each member of the battalion is oriented forward whereas in the porcupine, the deployment is in a circle facing outward. The porcupine is a completely static formation whereas the proposed Syntagma would still be able to move.

I'm aware that the Tower Guard have Shield Wall, but giving regular spearmen a shield or spear wall would provide a cheaper alternative to the Tower Guard and a more versatile alternative to infantry, as it can deal with both cavalry and monsters, though it likely will not be as effective as either the tower guard in general (as those are nearly invincible against non-heroic units, even other infantry, including swordsmen) or the swordsmen in dealing with other infantry. It would ideally not supplant the Pelargir spearmen either in their specialized role, but be closer to a jack of all trades.

It would also help the Team's goal to increase the spearmen fielded, providing further incentive to recruit them.

There are also a few factions without the Porcupine. Lorien, Angmar, and all three Dwarven Realms make use of spearmen without access to the porcupine and are able to deal with enemy cavalry just as well as those with the formation.


--- Zitat ---If the Spearman live after a Cavalry assault, but the archers behind them are dead, there is clearly something wrong.
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I think this is even more reason for a mobile, responsive formation for spearmen rather than the static formation of the porcupine. The ability of the cavalry to flank depends on the ability of the spearmen to react quickly. Porcupines are immobile in game and don't react automatically unless the enemy is right in front of them. A shield wall still can move.

You do have a point about the Haradrim and the Easterlings.

OakenShield224:
You mention Lorien and Angmar. They have the best anti-cavalry options in the game.
Angmar has the Carn Dum pikes which will kill any cavalry or monsters that run into them, and do massive damage to mounted heroes as well.
Lorien has the Palace Guards which are very strong, the Elk Riders that can deal bonus damage to cavalry (and knock them down with Silverthorns) and multiple stuns/fear effects to disrupt the cavalry charges.

NoldorSithLordsShipwright:
While that is true of Lorien and Angmar (and Ered Luin to a lesser extent, given their Steadfastness passive ability), is that also true of Erebor and the Iron Hills? Neither of their Phalanxes possess the porcupine or otherwise have anything making them particularly advantageous against cavalry compared to spearmen of other factions.

This applies especially for the Iron Hills, as their phalanx is the only spear unit that faction can access. In fact, their special formation is the Shield Wall, which I imagine is taken from the film where the dwarves faced the army of the Woodland Realm and the invading army of Dol Guldur.

Gondor Spearmen gaining Shield Wall wouldn't really overlap with the roles of other units of Gondor while ensuring that they get a formation that toughens them up without completely immobilizing them. They would be able to take on cavalry and monsters unlike Swordsmen while remaining comparatively less effective against infantry. They would be cheaper, more numerous, and more mobile than the Tower Guards, especially with their respective formations, allowing them to better respond to quick enemy cavalry maneuvers while being comparatively less tanky. They wouldn't be specializing against monsters, thus leaving monsters the specialty of the Pelargir spearmen.

Arnor Spearmen are in the same position as the Iron Hills Phalanx - the only spear unit in use by the faction.

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