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--Cirdan--:

--- Zitat ---Ich will gar nicht wissen, wie groß die Weltbevölkerung wäre, wenn einfach niemand verrecken würde. Also könnte es auch eine Frage des natürlichen Gleichgewichts sein.
--- Ende Zitat ---
ahh, und ich dachte immer deshalb gäbe es Melkor und Sauron - wie dumm von mir :D

Eandril:
Müsste im 10. Band sein, der Aufsatz heißt "Laws and Customs among the Eldar".

Ich meine ich auch zu erinnern, dass die Schwangerschaft bei Elben ähnlich lange wie bei Menschen dauert, aber die Kinder dann ungefähr halb bis ein drittel mal so schnell heranwachsen.

kolibri8:
10er Band? gefunden:

--- Zitat ---    The Eldar wedded for the most parte in their youth and soon after their fiftienth year. They had few children, but these were very dear to them. Their families, or houses, were held together by love and a deep feeling for kinship in mind and body; and the children needed little governing or teaching.3 There ere seldom more than four children in any house, and the number grew less as ages passed; but even in days of old, while the eldar were still few and eager to increase their kind, Fëanor was renowned as the father of seven sons, and the histories record none that surpassed him.4
    The Eldar wedded once only in life, and for love or at the least by free will upon either part. Even when in after days, as the histories reveal, many of the Eldar in Middle-earth became corrupted, and their hearts darkened by the shadow that lies upon Arda, seldom is any tale told of deeds of lust among them.5
    Marriage, save for rare ill chances or strange fates, was the natural course of life for all the Eldar. It took place in this way. Those who would afterwards become wedded might choose one another early in youth, even as children (and indeed this happened often in days of peace); but unless they desired soon to be married and were of fitting age, the bethrothal awaited the judgemant of the parents of either party.
    In due time the betrothal was announced at a meeting of the two houses concerned,6 and the betrothed gave silver rings one to another. According to the laws of the Eldar this betrothal was bound then to stand for one year at least, and it often stood for longer. During this time it could be revoked by a public return of the rings, the rings then being molten and not again used for a betrothal. Such was the law; but the right of revoking was seldom used, for the Eldar do not err lightly in such choice. They are not easily deceived by their own kind; and their spirits being masters of their bodies, they are seldom swayed by the desires of the body only, but are by nature continent and steadfast.
--- Ende Zitat ---
Quelle: J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (Hrsg.): The History of Middle-Earth. London 2002. Bd. 10: Morgoth's Ring. S. 210-211.
Da es aber jetzt so spät ist belasse ich es erstmal dabei, das beantwortet schonmal etwas, der Rest kommt morgen.

mfg Kolibri8

Edit: Wie versprochen der Rest:


--- Zitat ---    Nonetheless among the Eldar, even in Aman, the desire for marriage was not always fulfilled. Love was not always returned; and more than one might desire one other for spouse. Concerning this, the only cause by which sorrow entered the bliss of Aman, the Valar were in doubt. Some held that it came from the marring of Arda, and from the Shadow under which the Eldar awoke; for thence only (they said) comes grief or disorder. Some held that it came of love itself, and of the freedom of each fëa, and was a mystery of the nature of the Children of Eru.
    After the betrothal it was the part of the betrothed to appoint the time of their wedding, when at least one year had passed. Then at a feast, again7 shared by the two houses, the marriage was celebrated. At the end of the feast the betrothed stood forth, and the mother of the bride and the father of the bridegroom joined the hands of the pair and blessed them. For this blessing there was a solemn form, but no mortal has heard it; though the Eldar say, that Varda was named in witness by the mother and Manwë by the father; and moreover that the name of Eru was spoken ( as was seldom done at any other time). The betrothed then received back one from the other their silver rings (and treasured them); but they gave in exchange slender rings of gold, which were worn upon the index of the right hand.
    Among the Noldor also it was a custom that the bride's mother give to the bridegroom a jewel upon a chain or collar; and the bridegroom's father should give a like gift to the bride. These gifts were sometimes given before the feast. (Thus the gift of Galadriel to Aragorn, since she was in place of Arwen's mother, was in part a bridal gift and earnest of the wedding that was later accomplished.)
    But these ceremonies were not rites necessary to marriage; they were only a gracious mode by which the love of the parents was manifested,8 and the union was recognized which would join not only the betrothed but their two houses together. It was the act of bodily union that achieved the marriage, and after which the indissoluble bond was complete. In happy days and times of peace it was held ungracious and contemptuous of kin to forgo the ceremonies, but it was at all times lawful for any of the Eldar, both being unwed, to marry thus of free consent one to another without ceremony or witness (save blessings exchanged and the nameing of the Name); and the union so joined was alike indissoluble. In days of old, in times of trouble, in flight and exile and wandering, such marriages were often made.9
    As for the begetting and bearing of children: a year passes between the begetting and the birth of an elf-child, so that the days of both are the same or nearly so and it is the day of begetting that is remembered year by year. For the most part these days come in the Spring. It might be thought that, since the Eldar do not (as Men deem) grow old in body, they may bring forth children at any time in the ages of their lives. But this is not so. For the Eldar do indeed grow older, even if slowly: the limit of their lives is the life of Arda, which though long beyond the reckoning of Men is not endless, and ages also. Moreover their body and spirit are not seperated but coherent. As the weight of the years, with all their changes of desire and thought, gathers upon the spirit of the Eldar, so do the impulses and moods of their spirits consuming them; and they say ere Arda ends all the Eldalië on earth will have becom as spirits invisible to mortal eyes, unless they will to be seen by some among Men into whose minds they may enter directly.10
    Also the Eldar say that in the begetting, and still more in the bearing of children, greater share and strengh of their being, in mind and in body, goes forth than in the making of mortal children. For these reasons it came to pass that the Eldar brought forth few children; and also that their time of generation was in their youth or earlier life, unless strange and hard fates befell them. But at whatever age they married, their children were born within a short space of years after their wedding.* For whith regard to generation the power and the will are not among the Eldar distinguishable. Doubtless they would retain for many ages the power of generation, if the will and desire were not satisfied; but with exercise of the power the desire soon ceases and the mind turns to other things.11 The union of love is indeed to them great delight and joy, and the 'days of the children', as they call them, remain in their memory as the most merry in life; but they have many other powers of body and of mind which their nature urges them to fulfil.
    Thus, although the wedded remain so for ever, they do not necessarily dwell or house together at all times; for without considering the chances and separations of evil days, wife and husband, albeit united, remain persons individual having each gifts of mind and body that differ. Yet it would seem to any of the Eldar agrievous thing if a wedded pair were sundered during the bearing of a child, or while the first years of its childhood lasted. For which reason the Eldar beget children only in days of happiness and peace if they could.

*Short as the Eldar reckoned time. In mortal count there was often a long interval between the wedding and the first child-birth, and even longer between child and child.
--- Ende Zitat ---
Quelle:Ebd. S. 211-213.

Rabi:
Ich bin schon gespant wie es bei Linhir weitergeht, da wir ja vorne in einem Zeltlager sind werde ich in nächster Zeit auch wieder einen Filler-Post machen^^

--Cirdan--:
Du lebst ja doch noch :D
Und ich habe so lange kein post von dir gesehen, dass ich dachte du währest (wie hätte Fangorn gesagt) baumisch geworden.

Na dann muss ich dich ja noch als aktiven Schreiber in die Zusammenfassung der Linhir-Story packen :P
Hoffe dann natürlich, dass du mal öfter zur Feder greifst ;)

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