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ElessarTelcontar:

--- Zitat von: Fellowship_of_the_Ring am 29. Jun 2019, 20:30 ---I'm pretty sure that what Gnomi means is that the next patch isn't too far away from being released, so it would be pointless to make a demo right now. ;)

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May be.  :)

Walküre:

--- Zitat von: ElessarTelcontar am 29. Jun 2019, 19:07 ---Hi FG15,

Thanks for your response. It is okay that you could not get what I "exactly" "want" as I did not "want" a "specific" thing. I just "offered" an idea that releasing a demo which includes what you can or want to put among what you did so far. I can not say put this and that because it would not be a proper request, that's why I gave examples. I can give more detailed one;

For example, you can include all faction updates together with siege ones so we can see multiplayer experience. Decision would be what to put in order to make such a demo playable.

I should say that it was just a suggestion which grounds on the though that you are already making tests so we can test the multiplayer part. If it is not convenient to release a demo or it is not a fit occasion for you or even you don't want to release one you can say "It is not convenient because of bla bla bla." I can understand. But the tone was used makes a person feels that there is no interest on the idea but there is an effort to refute it. An example of this is that after I gave examples, the definition of demo was written as a response. What is this? It makes this conversation argumentative but even if you make it argumentative it should be in an appropriate tone.

Since we already have come this far, I should also say that throughout 3 years we just read and I think it is normal to seek a playable version of it. Just relax. Nobody is here to judge you. There is an appreciation. Do not reverse it by writing that kind of responses or keeping people waiting too much.  :D

Cheers.

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I don't think that asking clarifications about the release or bringing proposals to the public's attention is a bad thing at all. I love when the forum actually performs its imperative function: answering people's doubts in the best of the ways. That's our task, after all :)

Therefore, I personally believe you need not assume such a defensive approach, if I may call it so, nor have I felt attacked or criticised by your comments either. The whole debate just gives me the impression that you're maybe over-complicating things too much, and said development of the discussion has probably diverted the focus from the main issue that was being addressed: irrespective of labels or terminology, only by sticking to the usual 'procedure' will the team accomplish each objective of their plan and, finally, hand to the community a fairly decent patch. Other alternative paths, whether it be a demo, a mini-demo, an open-source Beta, or a myriad of different options, would instead prove highly counterproductive and, methinks, illogical. People being eagerly awaiting the next revolution and every major overhaul embedded therein, is to me a quite self-explanatory reason not to present the Edain community with a flawed, half-completed update. I guess this is the point that Gnomi and FG were trying to explain to you.

Beside that, any further consideration on words or double meanings would simply result in an unproductive 'semantics game'; not really useful, I daresay. The same regarding the argumentative nature of a post or not. In other words, some convoluted, contrived, and theoretical constructions which only lead us astray and very far from what might otherwise be a noteworthy thread. It's similar to the response I gave you in the other topic, which was never meant to be an excuse or self-serving reminder. I've only noted how yours was just a plain direct statement, which neither specified nor provided many in-depth hints; it was a mere reaffirmation of the obvious, and the sheer passing of time is not an argument in itself, I think. Anyway, I'll close that twin-thread.

ElessarTelcontar:
Hey Walküre,


--- Zitat von: Walküre am 30. Jun 2019, 17:06 ---Therefore, I personally believe you need not assume such a defensive approach, if I may call it so, nor have I felt attacked or criticised by your comments either.

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I glad to hear that :) and thank you for giving the only answer here to my suggestion indicating your reservations. Even hearing about your reservations about releasing a bongo would be enough for me.


--- Zitat von: Walküre am 30. Jun 2019, 17:06 ---Other alternative paths, whether it be a demo, a mini-demo, an open-source Beta, or a myriad of different options, would instead prove highly counterproductive and, methinks, illogical. People being eagerly awaiting the next revolution and every major overhaul embedded therein, is to me a quite self-explanatory reason not to present the Edain community with a flawed, half-completed update. I guess this is the point that Gnomi and FG were trying to explain to you.

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But again I should say that although neither Gnomi and FG have contributed an explanation nor I have started a 'semantics game', I agree with you that keeping up with joneses over semantics only leads us astray. That's why I was trying to explain how that attitude made me feel and why it was wrong. Also I did not get why did you think that I am over-complicating things while I am suggesting an idea leaving you everything to decide in the first place. I was not the one who wrote definitions but I am the one was trying to say that there are no frames you should be in.

Messages following after my second one make this thread about a different argument and I don't feel responsible for that but I think it is also productive in a different manner.

I will keep using bongo as I see the word demo can be associated with something different like a side product.


--- Zitat von: Walküre am 30. Jun 2019, 17:06 --- I've only noted how yours was just a plain direct statement, which neither specified nor provided many in-depth hints; it was a mere reaffirmation of the obvious, and the sheer passing of time is not an argument in itself, I think. Anyway, I'll close that twin-thread.

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I have already answer that in the discussion forum indicating time is a relative concept. It fits me you have closed that thread but it was like a discussion and this thread contains a suggestion and that's why I don't think these two were twins.

The thing is when I made a suggestion it is plain or not there was an effort to directly refute it. And I don't know how I could say about 3 years differently or could provide more in-depth hints as I already indicated 30+ months have passed. I hope you understood why I wrote after my reply to that one. If you could not I can explain again.

Lastly, to return to the main subject I will say that I would not agree with you about releasing a bongo if there are too much time like 4+ months to release 4.5. I think it would be very productive to release one if the situation is like that. Also as nobody have to play a bongo if anyone wants to wait last version, one can wait for it. :)


Cheers.

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