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Changes to Ring Hero Sauron's abilities

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The_Necromancer0:
My original intent was not to balance Sauron, but rather to give him a more interesting mechanics. Dark Will is very cool but it's basically a one click "kill everything" button.

It is true that removing Dark Will is a debuff on the short term, you won't be able to suddenly gain value by clicking a single button. However, if the passive is properly balanced in terms of damage over time and debuff it will actually be a buff in the long run.

The reason for that is simple: that passive is on all the time. With dark will, the second you click the button you gain huge value, but then it runs out and then there's a cooldown. Dark will lasts for 30 seconds, that's about the average duration for a buff, you also have to factor in animation time, movement time, ect... That's a lot of time during which dark will isn't getting value, compared to a passive which provides value all the way from the start of the fight to the end.

All you have to do is be more careful about your positioning. Sauron will still be a mighty force to be reckoned with, you could remove every single ability but his "Lord of Mordor" passive and he would still be a force to be reckoned with.  [ugly]

Just a side note, I wouldn't say Consuming Darkness is unsupported by lore. Sauron was a great sorcerer, while there is no bit confirming it or mentioning his ability to throw his enemies off their feet I don't think such a spell is out of the realm of possibility. We do however know that Sauron was never really much of the warrior, most of his power coming from his nature as a Maiar rather than personal skill at arms.

The_Necromancer0:
An addition to this proposal based off a previous suggestion, Dark Will could still exist in Sauron but instead of being triggered by clicking a button it would be triggered by casting Power of the Past Ages back onto Ring Hero Sauron. Currently, you can cast the ability on him but the only effect is a few lightning, technically that is still a use but when you compare it to something like Galadriel's Tier 3 powers where you either get a mighty tornado or a huge buff it seems a bit weak.

In addition, this will give the spell more strategical value, as currently you can easily save this spell to cast it in the case Sauron or Gorthaur dies without much opportunity cost. With this additional function you will have to carefully consider the value of you can gain from Dark Will and how risky it is for Sauron to die.

Finally, this, I hope, erases some of the concerns people had. Dark Will remains and the passive is still implemented. After all, Power of the Past ages is a fitting reason for Sauron to suddenly become much more powerful.

Only True Witchking:
I think that's an excellent idea.
Not only would it require more strategic thinking, but also give "Power of the Past Ages" a purpose after you get The Ring (something I really liked in Edain 3.8.1).

Walküre:
Passive abilities never cease to fascinate me, in a way. There's something in their long-term, pervasive nature which seems to tell a lot about the relative hero whom the feature has been granted to. Even more so, when we enter the realm of ultimate heroes, or Ring heroes; I don't deny that the proposal therefore interests me a great deal.

So, if suggestions tend to lean on a passive, level-10 power, I would be wholeheartedly for it. No doubts. Furthermore, as I read above, the current Dark Will would be put to better use as a 'bonus effect' via Sauron's spell, thus following in the legacy of Galadriel and her tailored spells themselves. I suppose it would be fair game, if these two titans were to become the sole ones boasting such a possibility.

As for the concept itself, I'm just a bit worried about its actual display and potential on the battlefield. Doesn't his fiery form (the Necromancer) already function similarly, by scorching near enemies through his incandescent wave? Perhaps, we might widen the purpose of this change and mine the character's own lore even deeper, so to adjust the prospective ability to both context and need. Anyway, I look forward to other people's inputs.

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