Ah alright. Sorry Walk.
I really like the look of the darkelven Reaper Bolt Thrower with the vertical firing mechanism in the center. I could definitely see something like this replacing the Lightbringers.
I've read up a bit on various forums and apart from the ballista I think that the elves might have sneaky ways that are more in tune with nature rather than technological advancements. I was thinking that it should be possible to use something like stealth scouted units that slowly sabotage the building/gate but that can't attack the wall. I think it would be quite unique if they are stronger than usual against buildings and gate but can't attack walls. Maybe not eve destroy the gates but simply disable them for an extended period of time. I think that it's important to give Imladris a unique system. So sorting through my possible ideas:
-can't attack walls
-doesn't destroy gate only sabotage
-more damage than other siege units against the buildings
-single scout-like heroic units
But I still really like the ballista.
However we have to thing about animations and I guess there aren't any for these Reaper Bolt Throwers, at least if they are used the way I think they are.
but it would probably require custom animations, which sucks big time.
add Scholars as kind of siege supervisorswell lol, that'd be fun. "the ancients say to take your time so that your aim might hit true" "Sure, sure...now pull that level and let's impale those beasts!" "sigh..." :D
the Hobbits had big Fireworks BallistasMan I hated those things! Nothing worse for your pride than being nuked by freaking Hobbits!
I don't like the idea of better upgrades or Dunedain siege weapons.[..](except the fact that they shouldn't be available in the Lindon settlement, I don't like that idea).Agree on that.
I would say no to earth golems/giants, Pallando the Blue used to have that power, no idea if it'll come back, but already then it looked...weird. Works for Warcraft, not really for Middle Earth.Really ? i never played Pallando was he in Mordor ? or an easterling building ? i cant remember, but i guess you're right some persons would find the rock golems really weird hahaha
He was in a waaaay older version of the mod, back when Inns were still there.Oh yes, i remember 3.8.1 had the inns summonable heroes, i have been playing edain 4 for almost a year i guess, and i quietly had forgotten the entire vanilla system ( with free building )
it should be look in an elvish and graceful way and it should be possible in the real worldHere's a thought: A ballista, BUT one that was actually made for sieges: (http://media.moddb.com/cache/images/members/1/970/969337/thumb_620x2000/Total_War_ROME_II-01-05-2016_16-29-48.jpg)
Btw Hoho if I'm not mistaken those are called Roman Scorpions?To be honest my reference is Total War RomeII xD
I mayself was never big fan of the Lightbringers,they alwasy felt too non canon and non Tolkienish considering the Magic in Middle Earth and Lightbringers are like Lesser Galadriels,it is not like every Noldor Elf can have the Magics and Destructive power of Galadriel or learn Magic strong enough to beat Armies and Ruin Fortresses,but still I won't have problem with somehow revised versions of Lightbringers,but I deffinetely feel that the Da Vinci Catapult is the best option since as some said and I agree Ballista are more Dwarvish than Elvish stlye,plus the Catapult will be one unique in every way Elven Siege Machine that no other Faction will have! :)
The main exemples would be Gulzar and Angmar's Sorcerers. True, they might have learned from the Witch King, but still...even Mornamath can turn his men into wraiths, all of them present on the map. And Mouth of Sauron has his fancy green lightning (he's numenorean, ok, but still). That's quite the magic show, and indirect only to a certain point.
Remember when Gandalf said to Bilbo that "There are many magic rings in this world, Bilbo Baggins, and none of them should be used lightly."? They could just wield some of them that have most destructive powers. ;)In my opinion this would be the closest they could actually get in a lore-friendly way to wielding elemental powers, but they would have to be few in number due to a limited number of lesser rings, of which only a few are held by the free people (if any!) by the War of the Ring.
In a very strict lore perspective, the kind of usage of Magic that you, Spacetyrant, referred to (impressive manipulation of the Weather and of the elements, manipulation and alteration of the Life/Death cycle and other ones more) are definitely a prerogative of the Ainur, incredibly mighty Elves or powerful beings that acquired power in not so 'conventional' ways (often implying the effects of a corrupting and marring force).
But, I wouldn't question so much Angmar's solutions anyway, as we have to consider that this faction must necessarily count on fictional aspects rather than extremely lore-bound limits, because we are still talking about a game characterised by precise gameplay reasons.
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Anyway, how would eagles be able to damage stone walls or gates? Thats the point of the siege weapons, and eagles are certainly not a good alternative for catapults. Why shouldnt Imladris use catapults anyway?
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Anyway, I meant how is it realistic for Eagles to damage stone walls with their claws? Can you damage a brick with your nails? To break the gate they must fly very low or even land first, which makes them very vulnerable to enemy units. Also siege weapons, like catapults, have a range advantage compared to eagles who can be shot down by enemy towers and archers very easily. If you just want to have another Eagle Hero then this is not the right thread to post into. You can make a seperate proposal about them but it's best to wait untill the faction is released to see if it's even necessary.
Or we could have like... let me see... An eagle carrying stones in his claws and throwing them from the sky on the ennemy buildings ?
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But I find the idea of a Imladris having siege weapons like the Da Vinci catapult or some ancient roman scorpion really fitting. Ok it is not mentioned in the lore (as far as I know). Yet the Noldor elves were the students of Aule the Valar of smithing and craftsmanship and the most advanced civilization in middle earth, so they should be able to build such weapons.