I am mainly waiting for more Dain, more Beorn, Thorin's funerals and Dain's corronation.
- Why Azog's army is all Uruks! last time I've checked the Misty Mountains had mostly little Goblins and mutilated filthy orcs, and no fancy Isengard-ish steel armor.Azogs Army is Dol Guldur, Bolg Leads the Army of Mount Gundabad
If this same army was at helms deep (with the YOLO Trolls) I grantee that Rohan would have no chance at all [uglybunti]
Azogs Army is Dol Guldur, Bolg Leads the Army of Mount GundabadSeriously? In the movie lore it's said that the Orcs came from Moria and the misty mountains to gather in DolGuldur for the war.
Talking about Angmar and the Lonely Mountain as the 'key to conquering the North': there is an interesting theory on what Sauron meant with that, here: http://musingsofatolkienist.blogspot.com/2015/01/gundabad-what-was-that-exactly.html?m=1
- The Dwarves encounter with Smaug (the battle of the forges). Although the action looked freak'n awesome, but it literally makes no sense whatsoever; The whole point of bringing Bilbo is to sneak to the mountain the steal the gem. They were scared to death from Smaug. Why would they ever go YOLO on him!!
and then after the ridiculous golden weapon plan, why would Smaug go to kill the poor lake men. The Dwarves were right under his mercy after their "plan" to entomb him failed.
they will make Gandalf see the vision with Smaug through the palantir xD.
Well, I still hold hope that we may see this Smaug palantir scene, somehow :(
- Speaking of unnecessary, why is PJ trying to ship Gandalf and Galadriel? Isn't she already married to Celeborn?
- Speaking of Galadriel...
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This scene, while some might think it cool, makes zero sense to me. Why is Galadriel becoming all scary in this scene? Is it because she's using Nenya? If so, then why is she turning scary-looking? And WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT IN FRONT OF SAURON? Especially since the Three Rings of the Elves were supposed to be HIDDEN! And why is she wielding the Phial of Earendil? Is that what she's using to banish Sauron? If so, why is she turning scary-looking? The Silmarils, from whence the Phial gets its light, are not evil, and I read nowhere that they were ever tainted by Morgoth or Sauron. It just feels like more of PJ making Lothlorien elves (especially Galadriel) scarier than they were in the books.
Can anyone explain me about the Morgul blade story, I was kind of excited for it. Last time we saw the blade was in Rivendell, and all of a sudden we see the blade in the hand of Witch King again in the Dol Guldur attack. I hope they explain this part in EE.
When they part in An Unexpected Journey, Galadriel makes Gandalf a promise: ‘If you should ever need my help. I will come.’ She fulfills that promise in The Battle of Five Armies when, at Dol Guldur, the Wizard confronts the Necormancer.
As in The Fellowship of the Ring, the filmmakers opted to explore, once more, a surprising aspect in Galadriel’s character. ‘It’s almost,” says Cate, ‘as if you cannot have good without the threat of it being challenged and even taken over to the dark side, as if you can only know shadow when you know light. Peter wanted to give a shadow to Galadriel in The Lord of the Rings, and he really went there in The Hobbit. He referred to it as ‘psychic distress’, that sense of a war within, that internal battle between one’s dark side and one’s better self. In coming to Gandalf’s aid, Galadriel has to grapple with the seductive power of the Necromancer to draw other beings into a void of darkness, despair, and decay. She has to summon every particle of her strength to resist and, in doing so, we see Galadriel’s incredible power and realize that -but for the finesse and strength of her spirit - how quickly that power for goodness could be turned to evil.’
An astonishing moment in Galadriel’s struggle with the Necromancer is when she uses the language of the enemy. ‘Unlike Elvish,’ says Cate, ‘Black Speech is thick, harsh, and very gruttal. It’s completely unexpected and shocking that such a sound would ever emerge from her mouth…"
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''An astonishing moment in Galadriel’s struggle with the Necromancer is when she uses the language of the enemy. ‘Unlike Elvish,’ says Cate, ‘Black Speech is thick, harsh, and very gruttal. It’s completely unexpected and shocking that such a sound would ever emerge from her mouth…"
well i hope in the extended version there is some nice stuf from the books
@ Gandalf The Gray: Just a hint of mine; your banner pic is too big. You should adjust it accoording to the bulletin board rules. Otherwise banners would disturb the reading fluency.is it ok now
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I think there were too much humor and unneded scenes with Alfrid which couold have been spended on more important events and characters lets hoep EE will fix that to some degree and deliver us a more "finishing" finale!Also I would be glad to see more Battle with the Necromancer by Galadriel and Co.(I wish Gandalf and Radagasd would have fought too :( )
Well I doubt we all we get what we want!But still I hope to fix it to some degree!IT was too little Battle of Five Armie and too much Alfrid and Battle of Tohrin and Legolas!! And Dain and Thranduil were forgotten like they are nobody :(
Forgot that too!I do not mind Tauriel as a Chacracter but the whole Love Triangle and love between Dwarf and Elf was too forced,un true and not needed! :)
Forgot that too!I do not mind Tauriel as a Chacracter but the whole Love Triangle and love between Dwarf and Elf was too forced,un true and not needed! :)I am very happy that she will be part of Lothlórien (**)
Off topic, but I'm more excited for an affordable Galadriel (5000 is much better than the 10000/9000 she is in the standard BfME2 game) with varied spells and abilities (which might also have to do with the fact that Cate Blanchett and I have birthdays on the same day)
about the battle with the nazgul and sauron i waited for it for so long and when i saw it well i was a lil bit i was disappointed
cant agree moreabout the battle with the nazgul and sauron i waited for it for so long and when i saw it well i was a lil bit i was disappointed
I know, right? It was like, why were they suddenly these see-through bad-guys who flashed whenever they were hit, like some early 90s side-scrolling arcade game?
It was like, why were they suddenly these see-through bad-guys who flashed whenever they were hit, like some early 90s side-scrolling arcade game?Exactly my thoughts. xD
if you want to discuss about Galadriel, I suggest you PM personally TiberiusOgden (as a Moderator) to create a new thread about her, or modify the already existing ones to enable a general discussion about her concept ;)
Zitatif you want to discuss about Galadriel, I suggest you PM personally TiberiusOgden (as a Moderator) to create a new thread about her, or modify the already existing ones to enable a general discussion about her concept ;)
What he said :p
Please guys try to stay on topic here. And you know, Tiberius isn't the only moderator around here ;)
Seriously PJ? 8-| 8-|Seriously, sadness and grief came to Middle - earth forums which I've checked. :(
1) Botfa EE is the first Middle Earth movie to be rated R.
2) We will able to see Extended edition in the cinema (all three extended editions).
3) And last Hobbit movie will have only 19 additional minutes.
Probably the surprising rated R rating could mean that PJ will be really serious and 'heavy' about the BattleHe talked about it in this interview:
I hear that there will be some replaced scenes with which we can get around those 30 min of new footageYes, replaced - it's possible, but it does not mean that there will be additional footage, but only replaced footage, but the length will be the same.
Well I hear that there will be some replaced scenes with which we can get around those 30 min of new footage!I wish it was longer there is os much cool stuff that can be seen! :(
I think that this link provides quite reliable information about EE, because they worked primarily with the main trailer and with spoilers from moviemakers:
Was this simply a work-in-progress image before the final result? Or is there more to the Galadriel/Sauron confrontation?
PJ listened to the fans and decided to cut every single Alfrid scene. ;) No other explanation. :D
agree xD xD xD xD xDPJ listened to the fans and decided to cut every single Alfrid scene. ;) No other explanation. :D
But he certainly needs a horrifically cruel and grotesque, I mean a worthy death/end :P
Scene of 2 sec is enough for some troll to smash him ;) :D :D
What you say is absolutely true! :) But the other true thing is the fact that creatingthose counterpart and giving so much time to them is simply pointless and waste of precious time! :)
Exactly as you say Walkure!!There are so more better stuff to be shown and developed!PJ just ruined his Movies with those two and with the whole Love Triangle thing!! :)
I am no purist and I like both Movies and Books each is great i ntheri own way!But the last Movie was good it just could have been great and much better!Exactly as you say Walkure!!There are so more better stuff to be shown and developed!PJ just ruined his Movies with those two and with the whole Love Triangle thing!! :)
The Love Triangle was really a bad choice, also because they didn't naturally manage to develop decently this aspect of the plot, ending up just showing a heavily watered down love story between an Elf and a Dwarf 8-|
But the positive thing is, I think, unlike ranks and ranks of Tolkien purists (or just very skilled cinematography fans and lovers :P), that I really liked from the beginning the addition of Tauriel as a completely new character.
And I'm also very glad that she will be part of Lothlórien in the game ;)
I am no purist and I like both Movies and Books each is great i ntheri own way!But the last Movie was good it just could have been great and much better!
I too like the adding of Tauriel she is good character and I do not mind Legolas being there it is only natural for him to be in his Kingdom next to his father!But the Love Triangle was pointless and not reasonable,and Legolas should have had smaller role than rather being a star and taking so much screen time from a characters who deserved more! :)
I know you didn't mean that I am purist my friend! :) I just stated out that I am not one and am more openmided over all but still Icare a lot ofr the lore :)
It most certainly will be nice and awesoem to see that!I really hope to see more extended clash in DG between the Lady of Light and the Dark Lord! :)
And here is a kinda of fanmade Trailer of BoFA EE it look sre ally nice and has some good hints! :)
And here it comes ;).
Looks promising enough. :) Too bad it is only 19 minutes... xD
Such epic scene with Dain standing like a boss and his Thousand Ram Riders Cavalry descend on the Elves!!And Those Aweseom Ballsitast Destroying like few Thousand Elven Arrows in once!! OMG !!!Iron Hills Army is unbeatable!!!
Haha, this looks amazing, it seems that Iron Hills were really prepared to crush Wooden elves, Thranduil wasn't aware of this. Also this is proof that PJ really cared about dwarves and their representation in this movie (Yea those soldier models are great! :) :P).
That idea about anti arrow balista is amazing, I am speechless. :P :D
And Those Aweseom Ballsitast Destroying like few Thousand Elven Arrows in once!! OMG !!!Iron Hills Army is unbeatable!!!
Lets hope we will see enough to make BoFA what it should be!! :)
Here is for all who wonder how the Dwarven Ballista Arrows stoped the Elven Arows!Thats at least my logical explnation from whe we have seen till now! :)
Well it seem to be something like Anti-Arrow Net created from something like a whip runing trough the lenght of the Ballista Arrow( http://i.imgur.com/lUrr4Sf.jpg ) and when Fired it begins to spin and takes down the Arrows!Thats what I see from previous Trailer Pics and this for know I think that is it! It is natural for the Dwarves to search and create something to take out the biggest advantage the Elves have over them and that is te Archery and as we know dwarves are one of the best engeneers! :)
As you see by the trajectory it swings around the Arrow and combined all those other Ballista Arrows create somethink like Wall before the Elven Arrows! :)
That ballista was mind breaking idea in movie, it is stupid maybe in eyes of some members here (don't think on you)
come on, this thing is absolutely stupid...
I´d rather see some more content of the real storyline from the books, more character development of the dwarves etc. instead of even more totally crazy and unrealistic battle scenes which deny the exist of physics in Middle Earth.
And again korner "boy" have found his way to eng part of forum to express his feelings, especially about dwarves. :D
Ahhhhhhhhhh. Please man, be more realistic in imaginary world...
What do you expected from PJ, to adapt this children book in some boring binar movie?
Characters development, I agree about that.
P.S. I am pretty sure that eng part of community simple adore you.
Cheers.
You got a point in that.
But all the people you mention are some kind of supernatural characters. That´s ok for me.
But if someone "normal" (dwarves don´t have magic powers...) constructs a machine, this machine should be "realistic" and according to physics.
You got a point in that.
But all the people you mention are some kind of supernatural characters. That´s ok for me.
But if someone "normal" (dwarves don´t have magic powers...) constructs a machine, this machine should be "realistic" and according to physics.
How are those ballistas not working properly or against the law of Physics?
As LordDainIronfoot has previously written, they must have a sort of anti-arrows net attached to each projectile.
I instead find it a smart and useful way to counter the Wood Elves of Mirkwood, considering how they generally fight, relying on bows and arrows.
It was a very intelligent and strategic idea of Dáin, I honestly have to reckon :)
you think too much man xD :D
So korner what is exactly stupid!?The fact that PJ decided to.give the Dwarves some credit and pay a little bit more attention to them by showing that Dwarves are not just brutre strength and love only to drink and fight but also are great blacksmiths and engineers who came.up with such clever invention to counter the main advantage of the Elves!!And I do not see any problem with the physics even in real world there are somilar inventions and I do not see it so problematic or out of place!The fact that you don't like it doesn't make it bad or wrong in any way!
P.S. And it is not matter of who had been longer on this forum! :-)
Are you sure that they are the best blacksmiths? :Pno but the elves of the first age dose not exist anymore some of them are alive but they are not blacksmiths of meddle earth so yes third age dwarfs are the best
What about the elves of the first age? Or the dwarves of the first age?
Would the dwarves be able to make the silmarils?
because the rotating blades or net would
- cause a huge air resistance
- cause a momentum against direction of move
which simply would lead to slowing down the projectile and make it drop after some metres.
The main thing about all that (for me) is the differences to the Lord of the Rings trilogy. In that movies nearly everything (besides supernatural creatures like Sauron, Gandalf etc.) was "realistic":
- a Mumakil cannot fly without wings
- a troll cannot jump 100 metres high
- someone who falls down a high wall dies
While in the Hobbit movies there are far too much "unrealistic" things (ballista projectiles, suicide trolls, wyrms, nearly every second Legolas move ...) that do not fit to the Middle Earth presented by the LotR trilogy.
My problem is not the action in the Hobbit. My problem is the action in the Hobbit compared to the one in the LotR. It just does not fit together, and it´s still the same world.
There is a lot of physics in Lotr.
Tolkien always tried to make middleearth realistic. It's the same as in old sages:
You have all of the things you knew from our world... and then you just add something like magic and dragons.
Those weapons were always created by gods or similar creatures. (as written above)
So it would be 'more' okay for me if Saruman would have invented them, but not the dwarves. Again: I have written above why. :P
That has nothing to do with "thinking to much", just with a different approach to the movies. Everyone has a different taste and looks at different points. I personally like many of the non-fighting-scenes, but most of the fighting-scenes are really... irritating, unrealistic and boring for me. Other people love those scenes.^^
Are you sure that they are the best blacksmiths? :P
What about the elves of the first age?
no but the elves of the first age dose not exist anymore some of them are alive but they are not blacksmiths of meddle earth so yes third age dwarfs are the bestOne small thing:
Elrond: alive in first age
Galadriel: alive in first age
Celeborn: alive in first age
Glorfindel: alive in first age
You say that it is possible because of their mass distribution or shape, but I want to know how exactly it works. I doubt that it is possible at all.what if wee wait for the actual extended edition first watch some more about those
And I think I haven't said it yet, but I agree with korner, I think these ballistas are quite stupid. I don't believe that they could work in any way (, and i agree with Gnomi about physics in Middle-earth,) and I don't think that they are usefull at all. Why didn't the dwarves use shields against the arrows? If they really wanted to arrive quickly at the Erebor, why did they bother with bringing the ballistas all the way from the Iron hills? I think Peter Jacksons just wanted to put another special effect into the movie, of which is already has way to much, just because it might look cool, without deliberating if it really makes sense.
As I have written above there is still a difference between things which look magical and things which are really magical. The dwarves were really good - but they used solid and not magical arts. Everyone with enough talent could have learned it - but the dwarves just had more talent than humen and most elves. Therefore it seemed magical.
But the elves were able to use some kind of magic (glowing blades when orcs are near) and those things weren't learnable. The dwarves weren't able to such things, simple because they weren't elves. But very talented elves are able to learn all of the dwarven techniques. (but there were way more talented dwarves than elves^^)
And send some regards to korner when you see him on german part of forum.You can talk to me here as well, no need to go to german section...
Cheers bro
or I think Gandalf could have blowed them away soemhow with his Powers! :)
it is a MOVIE and some things are made just to look cool and be liekd by the audiance!The same goes t othe Evles jumping infront the Dwarven Shield Wall,was it tacticaly wise no,but was it dramatic and cool looking yes!It is a Movie after all!
Exactly you are absolutely right!The point is that the fact that you do not like it doesnt make it unbelieveable,inconviniet or impossible! :)
You can just say "I do not like it,it doesnt suit my taste and imagination of the battle" Thats all,not going all "It is stupid" ,"It is not possible from physics aspect,from Magical aspect" and next " It is not convinient" ! :)
Just express you opinion and say you don't like it,but dont try to convince other poeple not to like it too by saying that it is not possible and etc.! :)
Have a nice day! :) See you around mate! :) Greeting from the Lord of the Iron Hills! :)
Dwarves didnt use a little magic there! :-)As far as I know it's stated in the silmarillion that dwarves were really skilled and many thought that it would be magic, but the dwarves always hated the elves for being able to use magic, while they weren't themselves.
I just personally think that, though interesting these discussions could ever be, at the end of the day, speaking about the Tolkien's Universe, it could be really pointless and counterproductive having this kind of approach to these themes, mainly related to pure logic and scientific methods.Well, for me this is the most interesting part about lord of the rings. There is nearly nothing illogical in it and this is the thing which makes lotr different to most of nowerdays fantasy stories.
Yes I am trying!have I said that I don't try!?
I think we were abel to prove that is quite posible,hard but possible to some degree!This is again YOUR opinion, not common opinion. Nothing was proved neither that it´s possible, nor that it´s 100% impossible.
You can think whatever you want of me good or bad,my opinion is my opinon and I am not the only one who stood against you and korner so stop putting all the blame on me as always!I really had different opinion of Edain Team and it Fans,no I am not so sure of it!No one puts any blame on you. Don´t be insulted only because some else is different opinion than you.
Please make a difference between proving something and trying to force opinion on others!Well... I did it. But just wanted to show you that we're doing the same as you. We were never trying to force an opinion, just trying to prove something. I have also given many points why (similarities of middleearth and the edda) and just wnated to prove something - not force an opinion.^^
you all hate the Movies and ME tooI don't hate the movies - I just don't like them, that's still a difference. I also like many parts of the first hobbit movie.
WOW!I agree but I do not see how adding actually a pracical weapon like Ballista with somewhow theoretical ammunition makes it bad or something similar to a battleship!?Thats not a valid point at all!Just go bac to my comment above. Everyone sees things different. I just wanted to show you that some people perhaps would have no problem with that - but you have. In the same way we have problems with this curios ballista thing, while you don't have. Everyone sees things different. Everyone has different boarders. Just imagine that for me the ballista is as the spaceship for you. I have wrote everything else already in previous comments, especially the first one. People can like them, but I don't like them.
You never triyed to convince them that they are bad Gnomi but you just let your dislikenes of the Movie lead your actions!Just say you dislike it and doesnt suit you but do not involve physics and all possible matter in it
You can think whatever you want of me good or bad,my opinion is my opinon and I am not the only one who stood against you and korner so stop putting all the blame on me as always!Read my comment again. I never put all the blame on you. I just said that you're not better than us. I never said that you're doing things wrong - just that you're saying "You should stop doing this" or "You do this and it's bad!", but you do it the same way.
i think dain has a point the fact that you do not like it doesnt make it unbelieveable,inconviniet or impossible and you were trying to convince poeple that this is stupid and not lorish
I tried to prove that the Ballsita and thier Ammo are possible to some degree and not so unrealistic!I tried to exaplin it and prove it not Covnince them to like the Movie or the Scene!!The use of proving something, is to convince others of your opinion. So if you tried to prove that the ammunition is relistic, you tried to convince me and others of taking it as realistic.
There is a difference in those you know!Proving and tryig to convince! :) Something may be proven that is possible but that doesnt make you to like it more! :)
Agree with you!I ahve exaggarated a bit!
So I suggest to agree that we dissagree and make peace!As you said we all had valid point from fact point of view and lest say we are like 50/50 on how much that thing is possible!I never wished to star a War with you or anyone here I jsute backed my opinon with facts tring to prove it thats all! :)
I hope we have peace on the matter!Movies wer not al that bad and bad at the same time! :D
P.S. really as Walkure said who would ahve thought that a 2-3 sec scene with 1 Weapon coudlcreate such a war oof opinons :D
Well, for me this is the most interesting part about lord of the rings. There is nearly nothing illogical in it and this is the thing which makes lotr different to most of nowerdays fantasy stories.
If you look at the maps: Everything fits perfectly and if you look at the time they use for wandering through middleearth:
It's realistic. (not like the 'teleport to Gundabad and back' of the third movie)
Additionally all the names of rivery, mountains and so on are also always fitting.
But on the other hand... perhaps it's just that we germans are unfunny and can't just enjoy such things without thinking about engineering... :D
Do you guys think maybe the Extended Edition of BOTFA may have a different prologue? Like, if Sauron interrogates Gandalf about the Three Rings, and then maybe shows him the vision with Smaug through the palantir (it would be my favorite scene xD)? I, at least, think that this would make the movie a lot more interesting - it will add to the Dol Guldur subplot and make a more proper (imo) introduction into the movie at the same time :)
And the beginning of the movie is where I think more Dol Guldur scenes belong; I think they would fit more there. Do you think a new prologue like this is possible?
agree
Some new footage of Bard and Smaug.
I always thought Sauron was not banished (actively) from Dol Guldur but instead retreated on his own accord in order to deceive the White Council into thinking they had weakened him. But instead he spent some time in the East and then rebuilt Barad-dûr (and the whole land of Mordor), commencing his war on the West by attacking Ithilien (and thus, Gondor).
I may be wrong, but this is how I recall it from reading the source material. (This is just off the top of my head, I did not read anything up before posting)
That's correct, Fine. Quote from "Of the Rings of power":
" [...], and drove Sauron from his hold, and Mirkwood for a brief while was made wholesome again.
But their stroke was too late. For the Dark Lord had forseen it, and he had long prepared all his movements; [...] Therefore his flight was but a feint, and he soon returned, and ere the Wise could prevent him he re-entered his kingdom in Mordor and reared once again the dark towers of Barad-dûr."
So Sauron didn't really try to defend himself against the Council, he wanted them to believe that they banished him.
I think the overall sins that the movies made are that they were made with audiences and merchandising in mind, as opposed to just making the best adaption that they could. It would be cool if PJ released a directors cut of the movie that was more like the fan cut version, but changing stuff like mermaid Galadriel to the original ideas pre Guillermo.
Then, I seriously think that Mermaid/Seaweed Galadriel might be replaced by an angelic concept, or, better, a Sublime form like in FOTRWhich was one of the best immediate dramatic character change I've ever watched on movies.
is is really good, even if it is just fan made :)
new EE pics (**) (**) (**) (**) we get to see more of the rings of the elves !!!!!
https://www.facebook.com/The-middle-earth-memories-1521511808125279/
i saw the movie its awesomecan you plz tell us the detailed white council EE scenes ?
2.) More scenes of Galadriel VS. Sauron ( oh yes diwalkure !!!! there is more of our dark lady against the dark lord !!!!! )
It seems we will have a lot new material for new ideas. I can already presume some new dwarven ideas for Edain. xD :P
ThorinsNemesis, have you watched movie? :)Sadly no, as I'm not in the USA :(. But I watched the funeral scene online.
this is a spoiler for the movie so check it only if you dont mind
Personally I'd love to see those new scenes of Sauron talking about Galadriel's Ring; but my hope gets lower and lower, cus it seems most other people on the Net say they didn't see that scene? :o
the question is: why should that palantir be at Dol Guldur??Well at least they deleted it after all. because it's totally nonsense [ugly]
Maybe they deleted that scene simply because it doesn´t make any sense...
So there is no Stone with unknown place that could have been kept secret in Dol Guldur. It´s a bit like the idea of the duel between Gandalf and Sauron: In cinema it looks cool, but if you think twice about it, you cant combine the "old" middle-earth with almost no visible magic and with the "cinema" middle-earth where whole stone walls get destroyed in seconds.
I really regret that PJ left such beautifull and meaningfull scenes full of wisdom and dramtic moments out for showing like more Alfrid and Legolas !Yes, you are right. This is just a beautiful scene. Personally i think its one of the best scenes in the movies. Sadly....
If you are interested, this is the 'behind the scenes' and the conceivement history of the Dol Guldur plot, involving the setting, the conceptual aspects of the characters and the plot's development itself.
Especially, from 18.47 there is the rough and non-CGI shooting of the Banishment of Sauron, the most memorable acting moment of the Hobbit trilogy, according to John Howe, the conceptual designer ;)
I hope that, if anyone had doubts, you will change idea a bit about Drowned/Seaweed Galadriel :)
The sudden change in director, and the complete shift in the vision of the movie has left barely any time for planning and preproduction, quite unlike in LOTR where it was one of the best planned and prepared 3 movies ever!
could have been so fucking better
a 8/10 is that a joke man the movies were perfectly directedWell BOFA got a 60% on rotten tomatoes (6/10), and it was faaaar faaaar from perfectly directed. The movie is filled with nonsense.
You're most welcome my dear ;)Oh, thanks for this man. :)
No wonder Kili fell in love with an Elf :D :D :DI completely agree :D :D :D.
And then we'd have more friends talking about it here ^__^
I have to say that, in complete honesty, I enjoyed the trilogy. It was so nice to have back the feeling of being transported to Middle Earth, to see again some iconic characters like Bilbo, Gandalf, Elrond and Galadriel, and being presented new ones, like Thorin and his company. Rediscovering enchanted places like the Shire and Rivendell was heart-warming, and descovering new ones such as Erebor, Mirkwood and Lake-Town has been intriguing and interesting.
and choosing strict creativity
Interesting. What exactly did you mean by that?
Walkure my.friend I am well aware of that! But still it is too much to give Gondorian heritage of every Fortress out there! :-) That's all I mean,and DG is definitely not a good choice tobe said as Gondorian origin!
Objection to this statement! xD
I agree that there are new orcish aspects in the Hobbit movies that weren't in the LotR-trilogy. However first of all: Do orcs even need this? My point is that orcs are the evil forces' henchmen and they make great side-villains, but from a storytelling aspect, they are incredible dull as primary antagonists -the thing is they are little more than tools for Sauron and others, I would argue they were never meant to play a real villain role and simply not able to fullfill this role. So: Yes, you are right. But I don't see the appeal of orc based primary-villains, therefore it isn't a necessary advance in my opinion. ;)
And yeah (let the hate flow through me^^): I found this black speech annoying as hell! First of all, I'd like to understand what characters are saying. Second of all, untill Azog started speaking black speechish only Sauron ever used it and it was massively cooler that way. Thirdly the Black Speech isn't really the global language of evil things, it's something Sauron developt, but the orcs never used this as a primary language, especially not the Misty Mountain orcs, as far as I know. And lastly, being the most glaring problem, I don't see how this Black Speech added anything to the movie or Azogs character. He just kind of does it and it isn't an improvement for the audiance. So why do it in the first place if it makes himself constantly incomprehensible.
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Melkor Bauglir
PS: And about the graphical implementation: I can hardly agree more with DieWalküre.
Don't know about you guys but I think the Hobbit is far superior with it's orcs than LOTR. Instead of "just" killing machines they are actually killing machines with a culture. They speak their own language (even speaking at all is very rare for an orc in LOTR xD) and they have their own goals and hierarchical structure. I really loved that in the trilogy.I absolutely and completely agree with you. Especially the inclusion of Black Speech for the orcs was a very interesting addition; and the Orcs' culture, especially the culture and outside architecture of Gundabad imo were really impressive.
Don't know about you guys but I think the Hobbit is far superior with it's orcs than LOTR. Instead of "just" killing machines they are actually killing machines with a culture. They speak their own language (even speaking at all is very rare for an orc in LOTR xD) and they have their own goals and hierarchical structure. I really loved that in the trilogy.I absolutely and completely agree with you. Especially the inclusion of Black Speech for the orcs was a very interesting addition; and the Orcs' culture, especially the culture and outside architecture of Gundabad imo were really impressive.
While in LOTR the Goblins and Orcs were also cool, they spoke English instead, and weren't so 'developed' as they are in the Hobbit; and, in my opinion the designs and armors of the orcs in the Hobbit movies was much more cool and impressive, I actually found the Orcs in the Hobbit a bit more scary/imposing than the ones in LOTR. :)
Am I alone to dislike the look of Radagast? Same for Bombur, the missing moustache of Balin (less now than before) the to human style of Fili and Kili, the beard of dori and the to little pig of Dain :(
Radagast and Bombur were designed also for evident comedy reasons.
Merchants from Harad or Rhun?Wow I never noticed those people in the background. :o
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