Then, my gentle attendees of the thread, I think I may have come up with a decent background story for the said sword, in order to endow it with a proper essence; this is the case for many items in Tolkien's writings. We must live up to the tradition. Concerning the story, what if the blade were too a gift from Círdan. Not only did he give the wizard the Ring of Fire, but also something that would be of much avail in his perilous journey. Círdan had foreseen all the tribulations that Gandalf would have to face and therefore decided to offer him a secondary object of relevant note. The Guardian of the Havens see further than anyone else in Middle-earth and knows that the hands of the wizard shall wield a greater blade, unearthed thanks to fate and hammer of the Evil...ZitatTake the blade of the Foam-riders with thee, Grey Wizard. It is silver, light as our vessels that voyage beyond the blue, yet dreadful token for whom dareth hinder the will of the Western Lords. Thou shalt bear it, along thy hazardous journeys and whither thy mission is to lead thee, until thy hand shall wield a mightier craft, made by grievous exiled and borne by a king dwelling in legend.
-All abilities from Ered Luin version of GandalfI think that isn’t a good idea because the Gandalf of Ered Luin based from the Gandalf of the hobbit. For example he can chuck burning acorns.
-Gandalf will have only staff(Gandalf found sword Glamdring in hobbit story).That's a very good Idea. I am for that.
-Gandalf will have only staff(Gandalf found sword Glamdring in hobbit story).I think this is also a good Idea. The voice of lotr doesn't match to the situation of Arnor (for example he is talking about Helms Deep and the war)
he basically did nothing during the entire history of Arnor
I think that isn’t a good idea because the Gandalf of Ered Luin based from the Gandalf of the hobbit. For example he can chuck burning acorns.
By the way ... "Hobbit Gandalf" has brilliant dialogues/voice in comparison with "normal Gandalf" ... I know that Ered Luin Gandalf was one of the favourite characters in the whole game in the previous version. We should really reconsider his new role, because I think that currently he is very "unappreciated".I do remember edain team has mentioned Arnor faction is not completed yet, there are still changes and other elements to be involved. The hero roles may change also, that's why I think we shouldn't consider Gandalf's role in isolation. I always think he shouldn't play a major role in Arnor, at least not like now a completely identical version as Gondor
Currently he is mass slayer for Gondor and Arnor. The role should correspond, but problem is that he has equal abilities although for rest of heroes is situation different. Nice and easy solution would be that Gandalf for Arnor will have former "Ered Luin Gandalf" abilities with some changes.I don't think so, Arnor faction focuses on the history around T.A. 2000, all heroes and units in this faction are related to this chapter of history. While Ered luin's Gandalf is clearly based on his experience during Hobbits, there is a huge gap. And all abilities of Gondor Gandalf are related to his experience in LOTR. If there must be a role of Gandalf in Arnor, his abilities should be related to his experience when he firstly arrived at middle earth, the only thing I could recall is the ring Narya
Some times ago I wanted implement them to the spellbook, it's not against anything, but with Gandalf we should stay with his mass slayer role. Summoning is for unit supporters. By the way, summoning isn't too popular.Well he could summon his two coworker and let them conjure massive killing magic, wind and stone and all that. That's why it is hard to design very fitting and highlighted ability for Gandalf in Arnor, since his greatest moment is not there and then.
once activated he becomes bright light for 15 seconds and all enemy units in a great range near him are freezed, trolls are turned into stone and killed immediately.The same ability holds former Ered Luin Gandalf. xD
Well, my suggestion is:
Gandalf for Arnor
1) Wizard blast (not cranky, but the same blast like Gandalf for Gondor has)
3) Blinding light (former Ered Luin Gandalf spell)
5) Mount/dismount
7) Fireworks (the same ability)
10) Circle of fire (former Ered Luin Gandalf spell)
and he will hold only staff, because Glamdring is against lore (problem with time), his voice will be from Hobbit movies.
So we will have the three different mass slayers (Gandalf for Gondor, Gandalf for Arnor and Gandalf for Dwarves for some time) and each of them will be unique but his role will be the same. :)
Face-saving and very easy solution.
an ability to summon his bubble shield which would grant him crush and invulnerabilityYou know that similar ability (magic shield) Gandalf has automatically.
an ability to summon his bubble shield which would grant him crush and invulnerabilityYou know that similar ability (magic shield) Gandalf has automatically.
Well, my suggestion is:i like how you improved my idea. I think this is much better. xD
Gandalf for Arnor
So we will have the three different mass slayers (Gandalf for Gondor, Gandalf for Arnor and Gandalf for Dwarves for some time) and each of them will be unique but his role will be the same. :)
Face-saving and very easy solution.
Yes but the thing is it would be removed from arnor Gandalf like I said and it is different the bubble shield only blocks one attack while My one would block all attacks for 15 seconds plus grant him the cah crush power so he can deal extra damage as wellThis is more suited for the heroes with tank role. I think that Thranduil already have similar ability. [ugly]
As far as i wonder, Arnor Gandalf should be more connected to his istari origin, I also wonder why no one noticed Gandalf also used his voice to achieve victory (of course it was not as powerful as Sarumans but he did) in a subtle way; also he could be more supportive... to be more have these powers:
Wizard blast
Riding horse
Words of courage: For 30 seconds, he makes soldiers +15% stronger in armor & resistant to fear.
Pipe aroma: For 10 seconds, he will smoke & heal himself or nerby heroes :)
Blinding light (he will hit an small radius making a earthquake - the same time the light will blind his foes)
also he could be more supportive...No. xD
Well, my suggestion is:
Gandalf for Arnor
So we will have the three different mass slayers (Gandalf for Gondor, Gandalf for Arnor and Gandalf for Dwarves for some time) and each of them will be unique but his role will be the same. :)
Face-saving and very easy solution.
passive spell like bubble shield?Gandalf automatically has white Istari shield against monsters and heroes. And "bubble shield" will have Thranduil. 8-|
passive spell like bubble shield?Gandalf automatically has white Istari shield against monsters and heroes. And "bubble shield" will have Thranduil. 8-|
Yes, he is tank, but Gandalf is mass slayer, so such spell (as a permanent skill) wouldn't be effective for him.
Oh, that's no speculation from TiberiusOgden but an already confirmed ability from Thranduil. Should be in the second Lothlorien Update which came out like half a year ago.I suppose that DieWalkure knows about it. ;)
more or less copy of the Ered Luin Gandalf is appropriateAccording to my experience from Moddb.com - Ered Luin Gandalf (or better say - his skills) were extremely popular for many users, moreover such skillset quite fits there.
I'm also going to ask, does anyone here know the good old LotR action-RPG "The Return of the King". I'm thinking of giving Gandalf 1 or 2 spells from this game, namely "Flame of Ûdun" (basically our "Ring of Fire") and an offensive shield bubble -basically it would be active a short time after a short channel and would then damaged and knock back nearby enemies while absorbing arrows.I know that game very well, but still I don't understand why we should change his role from mass slayer to tank role. Arnor already has problem with hero killer and this would be second problem with roles. xD
Light of the Istari (this ability should be included in my opintion -without "Glamdring" his offensive capabilities against lone strong targets is already weakened substantially, so taking away his second single target spell would be too much)Please no Istari light. :P
Oh, that's no speculation from TiberiusOgden but an already confirmed ability from Thranduil. Should be in the second Lothlorien Update which came out like half a year ago.I suppose that DieWalkure knows about it. ;)
So "Flame of Ûdun" instead of "Circle of fire" but with the same effect? Honestly - there must be the same effect for Gandalf mass slayer role.
Why not. Flame of Ûdun is very nice title and reference to the book. ;)
So "Flame of Ûdun" instead of "Circle of fire" but with the same effect? Honestly - there must be the same effect for Gandalf mass slayer role.
Why not. Flame of Ûdun is very nice title and reference to the book. ;)
i think balrog is the Flame of Ûdun i dont think thats it fitts for gandalf to have a skill named Flame of Ûdun not the good gandalf i think it fitts better for gandalf corrupted
What about "Flame of Anor" ? .. 8-)
flame of anor sounds good :)What about "Flame of Anor" ? .. 8-)
It's definitely better :)
'Anor' is the Sun, thus the remnant of the golden Light of Laurelin, one of the Two Trees ;)
flame of Narya. 8-|No, Cirdan is bearer of Narya in Edain universe. Three elvish rings are really elvish. :P
Maybe I first here wrote Flame of Ûdun, but this name has no sense as you all concluded already.
this version of GandalfGandalf for Arnor must be mass slayer like Gandalf for Gondor. Roles should correspond. We are only trying to find different skills for him in order to be more attractive and different than his Gondor counterpart. :)
he has only 3 skillsJust check the first page.
Oh, right. I was about to do it, but suddenly forgot it. :P
Done! And... i don't think he should have a horse in Arnor version. It's just... bites with my imagining of Arnor's "Grey Wanderer" as he was called.
Oh, right. I was about to do it, but suddenly forgot it. :P
Done! And... i don't think he should have a horse in Arnor version. It's just... bites with my imagining of Arnor's "Grey Wanderer" as he was called.
But Gandalf's nature, at that time, was definitely closer to the one of a Wandering Pilgrim, compared to his in the War of the Ring.
He had been just arrived in Middle Earth at that time, and, as for all the Istari, did great and long journeys through the World, to somehow recollect part of his past Knowledge.
GANDALF NEEDS A HORSE 8-)
who knows maybe he teleports
well i think so too but hay he appears in bilbo s house so fast
??? xD xD xD
Maybe some kind of carriage? Like this:
Maybe some kind of carriage? Like this:
Yes! It's pretty cool. xD
But I realise beforehand that people will argue it's too powerful a spell for a summoned 7 point hero. So I had a better idea, I suggest that, when summoned, Dwarf-faction Gandalf appears in the center of a smaller range Word of Power spell effect. And then you hear the lines "Take up arms. Fight! FIGHT!"Sounds like a really nice idea to me. I'll ask the rest of the team about their opinion. :)
So I had a better idea, I suggest that, when summoned, Dwarf-faction Gandalf appears in the center of a smaller range Word of Power spell effect. And then you hear the lines "Take up arms. Fight! FIGHT!"
Then, my gentle attendees of the thread, I think I may have come up with a decent background story for the said sword, in order to endow it with a proper essence; this is the case for many items in Tolkien's writings. We must live up to the tradition. Concerning the story, what if the blade were too a gift from Círdan. Not only did he give the wizard the Ring of Fire, but also something that would be of much avail in his perilous journey. Círdan had foreseen all the tribulations that Gandalf would have to face and therefore decided to offer him a secondary object of relevant note. The Guardian of the Havens see further than anyone else in Middle-earth and knows that the hands of the wizard shall wield a greater blade, unearthed thanks to fate and hammer of the Evil...ZitatTake the blade of the Foam-riders with thee, Grey Wizard. It is silver, light as our vessels that voyage beyond the blue, yet dreadful token for whom dareth hinder the will of the Western Lords. Thou shalt bear it, along thy hazardous journeys and whither thy mission is to lead thee, until thy hand shall wield a mightier craft, made by grievous exiled and borne by a king dwelling in legend.
I think it would be more unique having a sword-less Gandalf, to further differentiate him from his Gondor counterpart (and of course, taking into account that he only found Glamdring in The Hobbit's time). So maybe another animation could be found for him, I was thinking Saruman's, but I don't know if that would fit.
Also, take in cosideration that implemeting this concept would mean to renounce to the ring form in Arnor, in favour of Arvedui as the central ring bearer.Why?! Why would Gandalf have to remain without the ring in this proposal? I always really liked his black form. Not so much from a gameplay, but even more so from an aesthetic perspective. And I always thought tat form even more fitting for Arnors Gandalf (who does not become the white).
I really think diversifying Arnors Gandalf from Gondors is a good and maybe even needed idea. And I very much like your proposal for him, Aule, and do not have anything to really ad to it.
Also, I think, that Gandalf should lose his sword and fight with his staff only, as that would show the difference in time even more and seems generally a lot more fitting to Gandalf at the time of the war with Angmar.
However, I had to read this:Also, take in cosideration that implemeting this concept would mean to renounce to the ring form in Arnor, in favour of Arvedui as the central ring bearer.Why?! Why would Gandalf have to remain without the ring in this proposal? I always really liked his black form. Not so much from a gameplay, but even more so from an aesthetic perspective. And I always thought tat form even more fitting for Arnors Gandalf (who does not become the white).
So why is it not possible, to retain his ringform? Can't we still keep that?
I fancy the icon picture quite a lot. Good choice! It always conveys that adventurous trait of the wizard's character that I'm deeply fond of.
As for the initial part of the own description, I would word it this way: Gandalf journeys through the lands of grief, bearer of hope at the behest of the West. Then, the effects may be kept as they are.
P.S. You have actually inspired me to give life to a poem about the matter, Aulë. Thank you for the hint; I had better not waste time and write it down immediately :D
Yes, this proposal is to certainly open another discussion in the Narya-related thread and I'm looking forward to it. Take all the time you need. I will also update the starting post of the very thread. We need advertise the concept in much better ways.
Another option would consist of a simple overhaul of the sword. That is, Glamdring is to be superseded and the wizard will get a new blade, whose concept we may discuss here without any problem. This would spare us the need for another set of animations, which is the toughest aspect of the proposal. What do you think?
No, I still believe that Gandalf is well worth his 3000 resources ;)
Take the blade of the Foam-riders with thee, Grey Wizard. It is silver, light as our vessels that voyage beyond the blue, yet dreadful token for whom dareth hinder the will of the Western Lords. Thou shalt bear it, along thy hazardous journeys and whither thy mission is to lead thee, until thy hand shall wield a mightier craft, made by grievous exiled and borne by a king dwelling in legend.
How in the world was I not aware of those pictures' existence? They're totally splendid and it really required a vast amount of imagination to give shape to such creativity, I guess. Thank you for having shared it with us :)
The very first post has been updated and edited. The main proposal shall now have the needed and well-deserved visibility of the case. And it was just time for a proper renovation of the thread! I've also taken the liberty to start the voting/feedback-garnering process. I think that the final outcome may be submitted to public scrutiny without any problem.
Good luck :)
Needless to say, additional discussions and minor improvements may be debated, provided that one expresses oneself in favour or against the core concept. That is our prime goal.
Consider me in favour of this suggestion!
I as Gandalf myself can't deny this proposal XD. But seriously, Gandalf in Arnor really needed some changes and this proposal is very well written, aiming to design Gandalf as he was before we saw him in the hobbit. Though i would want to see some other ability than the constant wizard blast, i think this concept is quite satisfying. I'm for it.
I'm in favour of this idea. I think it could be a very interesting addition.
Yup, add me too, please!
I was not too keen on a staff-only Gandalf, because of how recognisable his animations are. The replaced sword looks good, though I think it should not look more majestic than Glamdring itself. Also, I'm not sure shining white objects stand out well in-game, but perhaps that's too much nitpicking.
I also support! Write me down too!
Another well done proposal Aule, glad to see after months of not being here that the Union is still active and you at the forefront! I noticed I was not listed in the favor section. So I would like to take this time and say that I am totally FOR THIS CONCEPT!
You guys have done an awesome job on this. Well done! I am also interested to see what happens to Gandalf in his Dark Form. Will that be added sometime later? Or keep it the same for simplicity?
I am definitely (and logically xD) for this proposal!
Glad to see that my and Tienety's original ideas evolved into unique Gandal's skillset, which not only separates him from his Gondor's counterpart, but also will make Arnor much more playable for fans who think that Arnor is just boring copy of Gondor. Reworked Gandalf for Arnor provides so needed fresh air, especially the skills which are based on Hobbit movies. 8-)
Concerning staff - don't forget that our idea was based on Gandalf only with the staff and without sword, which he found later. And you want to create completely new sword because you found that some animations don't fit well ... xD
Then we should talk how to solve this problem and stay loyal to our original ideas, and not create something more complicated which we didn't want in the first place. ;)
So where's the problem? We have Saruman's animation and wizard CaH animation which are sufficient ... so problem is in particular ability?
for the staff: yes there are some very good animations both from cah and from Saruman. A combination of those two would be great. The fact is that there are some very cool and unique movements of the current Gandalf we want to preserve.
I did not know there was a suggestion for Arnor Gandalf. Your concept is awesome, therefore you have my support. :)