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Titel: Dol Guldur orcs rework
Beitrag von: Azog The Defiler am 5. Mär 2016, 00:13

Hello Edain community!:)

I think many of us would love to see the DG orcs improved a little. When i see all the attention the Dwarves have been getting and the completely amazing designs they have gotten, i can just picture what Edain could accomplish for the DG orcs now that they have a lot more material to go on.
And im not hoping for any of this any time soon, but soon we will have our glorious dwarves and Angmar, so maybe between this one and the next faction release:)

1.Dol Guldur orcs rework

Visual changes

-Helmets


-varaiety in shields, we saw 2 kinds of shields in the movie
http://media.moddb.com/images/members/1/874/873509/ORC13.jpg

-armor on the back
https://www.herr-der-ringe-film.de/v3/media/galerie/hobbit001/dos_trailer2/dos39-cb210126.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THu4gwA2GQA at 0:25 Also that is a great war chant for the orcs!

-spears and swords
We saw many different weapons for them in the movie, so a few more could be brought in game.

Banner carrier

Banner carrier should be this guy
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/pjmidearthfilms/images/0/06/Azog's_Lieutenant_3.png/revision/latest?cb=20150609023812

New animation

It looks pretty weird they way they walk and stuff, and i get really annoyed when the pikemen start a brawl like the regular orcs of Mordor
So a new animation, maybe the same as the Morgul orcs, it doesnt matter if they have the same animation, they look nothing alike.

Titel: Re: Dol Guldur orcs rework (also trolls)
Beitrag von: Garlodur am 7. Mär 2016, 11:06

In my opinion there is nothing wrong with the Dol Guldur Orcs. Also, I don't believe changing visuals is a priority of the team. The case with the Dwarves is that they with the visual changes each sub-faction needed a new playing style as well.
Anyhow, I don't find your arguments very convincing. Especially the one considering armour, I can only say that with units that are used massively (all standard units, essentially) it is only a pain for the game engine to deal with detailed images, that is it becomes slower for us.
The banner carrier could give the units a nice touch but without any image reference I cannot know what that looks like.
The archers are perfectly fine this way, they are recognisable as Dol Guldur Orcs.
The poison attacks are also a clear indication of how these orcs have an offensive benefit opposed to the Morannon Orcs. The argument that Minas Morgul is more known for its poison is invalid, because it only exists through the Morgul blades and daggers that the Nazgul carry. You hardly expect regular Orcs to carry them, do you?

The trolls are a difficult subject of discussion. They are meant to be upgraded and upset the enemy frontline mainly, while also doing significant building damage. The fact that the upgrade is done in two stages gives people the tactical choice of sending in first the trolls that have only armour to upset the pikemen, and then send in another with armour and a hammer/sword to deal with other infantry.

Titel: Re: Dol Guldur orcs rework (also trolls)
Beitrag von: Azog The Defiler am 7. Mär 2016, 19:15

They do look outdated compared to the dwarves.

Titel: Re: Dol Guldur orcs rework
Beitrag von: LordMaus am 3. Aug 2016, 18:39

In my opinion, edain team should work on mordor in much detail after they release the goblin faction. Evil factions need more care really. In my eyes, edain team is making much cool designs for good factions which can be seem from Imladris,Mirkwood etc. too:p

I am agree with Azog The Defiler's opinion too here.


 

Titel: Re: Dol Guldur orcs rework
Beitrag von: Ealendril der Dunkle am 3. Aug 2016, 18:41

Zitat

In my opinion there is nothing wrong with the Dol Guldur Orcs

Right. The Dol Guldur orcs are looking fantastic with a pretty high visual detail and we dont want to "rework" or "change" them in any way. That's been said, im going to close this thread.