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Titel: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 17. Jan 2016, 02:09
As I did with the Hobbit trilogy thread, I want to create as well a similar space for our beloved and legendary LOTR trilogy, which, I think, introduced many of us to this majestic World, having been itself widely acclaimed as one of the best, if not the best, trilogies ever made, with the incredible record of 17 Oscars on its own.

Feel free to discuss about anything related to these wonderful films, from technical to thematic and conceptual aspects  :)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FYdPvnnn_Y4/Txp047eZuUI/AAAAAAAAAyc/JUx96vai2-8/s1600/Lord+of+the+Rings+Motion+Picture+Trilogy.jpg)

P.S. I will set this thread and the Hobbit one sticky, to symbolise their significant status in this section  ;)
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: The_Necromancer0 am 17. Jan 2016, 05:10
Great Idea, never really where to post this but now I do:

I'd like to remind the whole fandom, including myself what a bullet we dodged in the casting:
(http://i.imgur.com/GybsR5l.jpg)
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 17. Jan 2016, 12:41
Dieses Poster hängt bei mir im Zimmer an der Wand :)


As I far as I roughly understood, you have this poster on your room's wall, right?
Great, then  8-)

This poster exactly summarises pretty much all the main characters and places of this trilogy that we grew fond of.

P.S. As this is an English thread, it would be definitely better if you tried to write in English  ;)


Yes, we were very lucky  xD

And, do you know who was initially scripted to be our Lady Galadriel?
The New Zealand actress Lucy Lawless, who is widely remembered for having played Xena, the Warrior Princess  :P

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f4/Returnofcallisto_02.jpg)
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: lotr1997 am 26. Jan 2016, 00:45
Name should be changed to the best movie trilogy ever! I love these movies. But Star wars OT is pretty good too, hard decision, but ill go with Lotr! I always loved it :D
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 26. Jan 2016, 00:55
Name should be changed to the best movie trilogy ever! I love these movies. But Star wars OT is pretty good too, hard decision, but ill go with Lotr! I always loved it :D


Sorry, but you force me to go into the teacher/examination mode  :D

What makes you think that the LOTR trilogy is superior?  :)
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: lotr1997 am 26. Jan 2016, 03:00
Well, I really cant decide! I think Lotr is mainly because it was my childhood i grew up reading the books and just loved them, when the movies came out they were amazing to me. So im a little biased haha. Star Wars is my second favorite. :D
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Gandalf The Gray am 28. Jan 2016, 14:09
i think  Lucy Lawless would be a grate galadriel because she is a very good actor but she is best at playing a warrior in a movie so i think  Cate Blanchett is a better choice.
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 28. Jan 2016, 14:18
i think  Lucy Lawless would be a grate galadriel because she is a very good actor but she is best at playing a warrior in a movie so i think  Cate Blanchett is a better choice.


I definitely agree with you  :)

It's true that the nature of Galadriel consists also of courage, pride and a fierce will of fighting and resisting the Evil, along with a characteristic Ambition for power, which led her to join the Exile of her kin.
Therefore, we could manage to find some Warrior Princess traits in the depths of her psychology, especially in her early times in Middle Earth.

However, it's also firmly reminded that Galadriel has never desired to achieve Power through violent and prevailing means; always respecting the higher and holy Authorities of Valinor.

So, we could consider her particular behaviour as a sort of Noble Ambition  8-)
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 28. Jan 2016, 17:49
Xena along with Hercules were my favourite TV Shows when I was little,I really loved them! :-) And thr actress is without saying really good and.great looking but I can't see her s Galadriel,she just doesn't fit my idea of Galadriel like Figure,Height and look like whole! :-)
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 28. Jan 2016, 23:10
The Lord of The Rings trilogy (The Two Towers is slightly above the other two).


This comment of my colleague hoho96 (about his favourite film) caught my attention, and offered me a valuable point from which I could start this interesting debate  :)

I read many times throughout the Internet and a lot of reviews that the Two Towers is widely recognised as the best chapter of the trilogy.
I believe that it might be due to the film's characteristic atmosphere and tone; an almost perfect representation of the true Anglo-Saxon motive (closed to one of Tolkien's most appreciated interests) that permeates the core of the whole story and the 'wilder' essence of Rohan.
Along with that, an incredible and superbly scripted cast that is added to the stable one of the previous chapter.

Do you think that the second film was concretely superior among the other two?
Why do you think critics have made this judgement, and what reasons did they base their considerations on, in your opinion?
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: RiderOfRohan am 28. Jan 2016, 23:23
The Lord of The Rings trilogy (The Two Towers is slightly above the other two).


This comment of my colleague hoho96 (about his favourite film) caught my attention, and offered me a valuable point from which I could start this interesting debate  :)

I read many times throughout the Internet and a lot of reviews that the Two Towers is widely recognised as the best chapter of the trilogy.
I believe that it might be due to the film's characteristic atmosphere and tone; an almost perfect representation of the true Anglo-Saxon motive (closed to one of Tolkien's most appreciated interests) that permeates the core of the whole story and the 'wilder' essence of Rohan.
Along with that, an incredible and superbly scripted cast that is added to the stable one of the previous chapter.

Do you think that the second film was concretely superior among the other two?
Why do you think critics have made this judgement, and what reasons did they base their considerations on, in your opinion?

Well I do agree that The Two Towers is the best film, it had a balance in character development with enough action to keep you on the edge of your seat at times.
The Battle of Helms Deep was extremely well done. The whole movie feels evenly paced and the extended edition improved it even further.
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 28. Jan 2016, 23:44
Hi RoR  :)

Yes, the Battle of Helm's Deep can truly be considered the apex of the film's structure.
They magnificently created the climax via an even and gradual path through the story.

I mean, I always regarded that battle much more particular and 'intimate' than the other final clashes of ROTK.
Intimate means that the main context was obviously restrained within smaller boundaries of geography and lore.
But, it is nonetheless displayed in a sole film a sort of rebirth of Rohan and its King, which ends with the unexpected victory against Saruman.

In simple words: a more reserved and specific context, that it functions really well though, for the film's purposes.
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: VectorMaximus am 29. Jan 2016, 02:11
I absolutely adore the entire trilogy, but my personal preference goes for Return of the King. You final see everything culminating, the gambits and plans that have been moving since the start of the story. The ending is such a bittersweet one, and I've always loved those. Arwen and Aragorn are together, and he's crowned. Gimli and Legolas are now lifelong friends. Isengard is cleansed. Sauron's realm and all his works have been thrown down and destroyed. Peace at last has come to Middle-Earth. But Frodo is wounded too deeply to know peace in Middle-Earth, and the age of the Noldor in middle-earth is at an end, with the rest of the elves soon to follow. The dwarves are doomed to fade, and the memory of the glory of the Eldar Days will end. The last scene at the Grey Havens is always so powerful for me.
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: hoho96 am 29. Jan 2016, 07:51
First of all; Welcome, my lord, to the kingdom of Ed... oh never mind. Welcome to the forum  xD
Back to topic. The reason I place Two Towers higher than RotK is because I feel it's that bit closer to the books (ok, forget the Elves) in depicting the struggles of Rohan and the development of the characters. It has almost no cheesiness whatsoever (much unlike RotK with the whole ghost army thing). You don't feel any rush in the events. Everything was well set up; from the build up of Isengard, to the flight of Rohan, to the council of Ents, to the battles of Helms Deep itself. The battle was one of the most "realistic" and best movie battles of all times! (https://youtu.be/7Z0L0vgssSM?t=6m12s)

Then the moral side of the movie; despite the awesome heart-breaking conversations of Sam and Frodo on the slopes of Mount Doom, the character development of Sam Frodo and Smeagol was one of the best. Andy Serkis depicted Golum/Smeagol sooooo perfectly; he managed to show us the struggle of Smeagol to hold to what's left of his humanity (hobbity?) and how was that reflected on the thrio. Sam man! He must be the best speecher ever! At Osgiliath he showed his true metal and moral and his unshakable loyalty to his friendship with Frodo.

Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: The_Necromancer0 am 30. Jan 2016, 11:22
I found this on 9gag so I'll just leave it here

If you find the pic a bit small click here (http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aKqxmOQ_700b_v1.jpg)
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Adamin am 30. Jan 2016, 16:17
Weeell, the picture is simplifying a lot of backstory... Morgoth might have been more powerful than Sauron, but he was satisfied with sitting in the north of Beleriand with the Silmarils upon his head. Sauron on the other hand was always waging war somewhere in Middle-earth and ruling or conquering lands. So who was more effective in the "King of all Earth" business?  ;)


The reason I place Two Towers higher than RotK is because I feel it's that bit closer to the books (ok, forget the Elves)
And forget that Faramirs Character was completely butchered and thrown under the bus for dramatic reasons! :D

But that aside I also like the second movier very much. Every one of the movies has its unique perks. Fellowship is much more magical and fairytale like. Towers has the drama and great battle action. Return is the climax of everything.
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 1. Feb 2016, 17:21
Exactly, I agree with the focus of the Two Towers on drama and characters development.

Especially, I always appreciated how the character of Éowyn was designed and fashioned within the plot, and her role in that common 'Anglo-Saxon'-inspired context that is nothing more than the whole conceptual context of Rohan.
For example, I think that this is one of the precious yet 'small' pieces that always remind us the higher quality of the holistic material of this trilogy (something that I couldn't really recall in the Hobbit).
It's an extended scene of the iconic Théodred's funeral, in which she sings a touching lament in Rohirric (basically Old English)  :)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=jjlxzXO1L1M
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: bookworm1138 am 1. Feb 2016, 18:25
Zitat
The reason I place Two Towers higher than RotK is because I feel it's that bit closer to the books in depicting the struggles of Rohan and the development of the characters. It has almost no cheesiness whatsoever. You don't feel any rush in the events.

The attack on the Westfold at the beginning of the film makes me cringe every time I watch The Two Towers. Call me heartless, but it just feels like Peter Jackson is just bashing the audience over the head with the hammer of melodrama.

The over-emphasis placed on the Battle of Helm's Deep (how many times in the build-up is the battle being referred to as a lost cause? That the heroes have no chance of winning? And did we really have to see little six-year-old boys being armed and armored? Once again, the hammer of melodrama comes crashing down upon our heads.)

Zitat
It has almost no cheesiness whatsoever.

Glad you pointed out Sam's speech, because up until "Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn't", it was more or less based on things that Tolkien had written in the Lord of the Rings books. Then, of course, instead of letting it be, Peter Jackson has to brandish the hammer of melodrama and drop upon our heads the cheesiest line of the entire films (including the one Galadriel said to Frodo in Fellowship):

Zitat
"There's some good in this world, Mr. Frodo, and it's worth fighting for."

CHEESIEST. LINE. EVER!!!

PS - if you think me heartless, maybe i am. but that doesn't mean that, subjectively, my view on The Two Towers is any less valid.

PPS - before you say that i'm "nitpicking", no, nitpicking would be calling the script-writer out every time they put in a line like "orcs are on the move", "those wraiths are still out there" or "if i was an orc, you'd be dead by now."
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 1. Feb 2016, 19:36
The over-emphasis placed on the Battle of Helm's Deep (how many times in the build-up is the battle being referred to as a lost cause? That the heroes have no chance of winning? And did we really have to see little six-year-old boys being armed and armored? Once again, the hammer of melodrama comes crashing down upon our heads.)


But, honestly, was this really a negative aspect?
I obviously respect your opinion, but I would personally view things in the opposite way.

The dramatisation and the climax (as in an ascension) in the construction of the film's plot was almost perfect and complete, intended as starting with a general negative situation, explaining contexts and developing characters, and, in the final step, the awaited and longed resolving battle, in which either the Good or the Evil must prevail.
I honestly think that this was exactly the film's strong and solid quality.

As other ones have already pointed out, both FOTR and ROTK kind of lacked this completeness in their own plot, but mainly due to 'physiological' reasons, deep in their very essence.
The first film was in fact the prelude of everything, with a mythical and fairytale-like essence, like Adamin wrote; the only prominent battle between Good and Evil is the one between Gandalf and the Balrog, but it wasn't definitely something expected nor was it constructed throughout the plot.
ROTK was the epilogue of the holistic picture; on the other hand, we could say that the plot was way too much (intentionally, obviously, according to the film's characteristics) constructed and planned, and that the initial phase of 'development' of settings and characters was not really accomplished because not necessary.

Therefore, I believe we could regard the second film as the most balanced regarding these aspects.
As if, as I wrote above, it dealt with a story in the story, a parenthesis of Rohan related to Middle Earth's events, but at the same time complete in its own development and existence  :)
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Faramir The Gentle am 20. Feb 2016, 10:38
Does PJ ever justified why he portrayed gondor troops so weak in the movie
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 20. Feb 2016, 19:22
Does PJ ever justified why he portrayed gondor troops so weak in the movie

Interesting, I always had the opposite sensation.
The fact that many of them died is more due to Mordor's own status in the War of the Ring.

Mordor launched a heavy assault against all Middle Earth – specifically against Gondor – that caught almost everyone unprepared to face such endless and dreadful hordes of Orcs and more deadly foul creatures.
Minas Tirith would have been inevitably doomed if not for the arrival of Rohan in its aid.

Therefore, you can see it that way: Gondor's troops were brave and fought until the end, but Mordor was just too much for any mere soldier.
This constant 'We are doomed' fate is well and rightly represented throughout the whole trilogy, because Sauron is indeed the ultimate Enemy, thus displaying a sort of ultimate conflict between the Good and the Evil for the freedom of the World.
This is what the War of the Ring is mainly and exactly about  :)
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Fredius am 20. Feb 2016, 21:06
Yes but can you justify the archers who were so genius to shoot at inanimate siege towers instead of the trolls pushing them? Gandalf must have facepalmed so hard that day :P.
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 20. Feb 2016, 21:57
Yes but can you justify the archers who were so genius to shoot at inanimate siege towers instead of the trolls pushing them? Gandalf must have facepalmed so hard that day :P.

I admit I was mainly looking at the philosophical/theoretical aspect, as I often do  xD

Yes, that was honestly a bit puzzling.
But, I hope that we will agree with saying that those soldiers were nonetheless heroic at containing the assault in the first level  :)
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Fredius am 20. Feb 2016, 23:02
Aye agreed, they gave me enough reason to make them become my favorite army in the LOTR universe.
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Faramir The Gentle am 21. Feb 2016, 13:48
Aye agreed, they gave me enough reason to make them become my favorite army in the LOTR universe.

Yes Gondor is my favorite army also, but what happened to the rangers did anyone of them survive?
What about the scene when gondor watchman was killed by an orc arrow even wearing plate armor? in Osgilliath
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: hoho96 am 22. Feb 2016, 21:16
Aye agreed, they gave me enough reason to make them become my favorite army in the LOTR universe.

Yes Gondor is my favorite army also, but what happened to the rangers did anyone of them survive?
What about the scene when gondor watchman was killed by an orc arrow even wearing plate armor? in Osgilliath
The Rangers retreated to Osgiliath where many died of course :P then Faramir lead then back to MinasTirith where they joined the defence.

Believe it or not, plate armor is the worst when it comes to countering piercing attacks (arrows, spears, pikes,...). It is primarily to fend off slashing and stabbing by swords, but when you shoot it with arrows, if the arrow mass and speed is enough, the armor will most likely break (like throwing a knife at a cardboard).
Chain mail, however, was designed to counter piercing. It has no solid surface for the arrow to pierce, but act more like a net catching a ball, which minimize the damage to the soldier.
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 21. Apr 2016, 01:38
I was recently watching again some extended scenes from LOTR, and I particularly enjoyed this one. It's the scene in which Aragorn finally unveils the 'mystery' of his longevity. It's really smart how they managed to introduce us (indirectly) to Númenor and the 'Northern Kingdom' (Arnor); actually, albeit mentioning them glancely, we are told that Númenóreans were legendary Men and that Arnor was destroyed (in the war against Angmar). Very smart indeed, also because of the context of the very footage itself, which doesn't seem at all to be so solemn and mythical.
I'm literally in love with these very peculiar parentheses inserted into the film narrative  :)


Do you have any other smart parenthesis in mind that you might want to share with us?
By the way, that soup/stew doesn't really give the idea of being one of the finest Rohan's delicatessens  :D
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 28. Apr 2016, 01:35
Speaking about extended scenes, if you don't have knowledge of them yet, this is a little compilation of some of the scenes that were ultimately deleted both from the final version and from the extended version of LOTR (they are thus truly deleted scenes, not just extended scenes).


I think there are still many unseen and 'mysterious' elements that are somehow hidden about LOTR. Beside these scenes, there are also a lot of behind-the-scenes pictures and footage of other scenes and alternative renditions that were eventually rejected. For example, I have a very vague remembrance of having seen, when I was a child, a sort of LOTR art book in which there were authentic pictures of the Goblins of Moria in a forest, during the night (pictures that are likely to come from the official footage). In addition to that, I discovered that they indeed filmed a sequence showing the Goblins coming out from Moria (thus, the warning of Aragorn about the hills that would have been swarming with Orcs could be a hint) and entering the Woods of Lórien, just to be exterminated by the Elves afterwards (something that actually happened in the books).

But, probably, apart from the deleted footage of the Last Alliance showing more frames of Gil Galad and Elendil, one of the most known deleted aspects of the trilogy is the original plot regarding Arwen and the Helm's Deep Battle, according to which she and Elrond went to Lothlórien to discuss the war and she was somehow sent with Haldir to the Helm's Deep, in order to support Aragorn and the defending forces of Rohan. There are many evidences here and there throughout the Internet, but the most famous one is actually in the very The Two Towers!

You can see Arwen, dressed in red, riding a horse and charging the Uruk-hai away from the battlefield, after the arrival of Gandalf. It's really a very fast frame.

Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 11. Mai 2016, 12:31
The ethereal Arwen and the brave Éowyn. So much similar in their kindheartedness yet so much different. This is something interesting I found out quite some time ago; a very nice ensemble of the most significant scenes concerning our two heroines, with the amazing music of Enya in the background  ;)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Nki5pSXcmDI
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: The_Necromancer0 am 15. Mai 2016, 11:06
What's up with rocks and hobbits? I mean they've got the accuracy of an elf and the strength of a dwarf. Is it the same in the books? My memory is a bit hazy.
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 15. Mai 2016, 11:32
I couldn't tell either. I don't recall if there are exact passages in the books regarding Hobbits and their 'mastering' of rocks.

I think that it's more their capability of stealthy actions and attacks that makes them tough opponents, and this is always shown in the films. That is, what really matters is rather how and in what circumstances they use objects/weapons; for example, Sam seemed to be quite effective even with a frying pan against the Goblins of Moria  :P
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: The_Necromancer0 am 15. Mai 2016, 14:09
I've finally gotten the Extended edition  xD and I'm really enjoying it, not for the long extended bits such as the death of saruman or the "battle" between Gandalf and WK, which I had already seen, but for the small bits and bobs there and here such as Theoden saving Gamling or a couple additions to Saruman's speech atop his tower after his defeat.
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 15. Mai 2016, 14:59
I know very well the significance of those small pieces of beauty, hidden here and there in the narration. I too have bought the complete Extended Edition, and it could have not been a better purchase  ;)
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 20. Mai 2016, 02:01
In case you were interested, this is the official performance of May It Be in the 2002 edition of the Oscars; one of the rare live performances of Enya in general.

The song (the leading sung theme of FOTR) was nominated too as best song/record. Unfortunately, it didn't manage to get what would have been a well-deserved award; nevertheless, the Fellowship of the Ring itself eventually won four prizes for multiple significant categories  :)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=kTaRM4NhbIw
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 16. Jun 2016, 01:01
Enya being interviewed about LOTR (book and cinematographic trilogy) and what convinced her to participate personally in the making of two famous tracks of the Fellowship of the Ring's official soundtrack.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=olLggkrNr6o
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 4. Jul 2016, 02:40
The top 10 most memorable moments of the Hobbit and LOTR trilogy according to WatchMojo  :)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=H1Kh3EJQrq0
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: The_Necromancer0 am 4. Jul 2016, 20:46
I watched it and I must say, I don't often hate videos but I found that they got their order profoundly wrong. Watch it if you wish but in my opinion it is a waste of time
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 4. Jul 2016, 22:02
Judging also from the comments below the video, the order chosen was indeed controversial. WatchMojo is well known for its list/ranking-like videos, which are nonetheless interesting, even though it's undoubtedly true that they might not get it right as well. I was personally interested very much in the reasons behind their classification, rather than the list itself. At least, this is my own approach to this kind of videos  ;)

What if we shared our own most memorable moment of LOTR instead? I think it will be very nice to know each other's thoughts on the matter.

My own most memorable moment is the epilogue of ROTK: the Hobbits and Gandalf journeyed to the Grey Havens, where they eventually meet the last and mightiest High Elves that are about to depart forever from the mortal World. I believe that the ensemble of acting, setting and photography is absolutely great. The soundtrack is simply sublime. It's also the last time we see Galadriel, as she leaves us with her typical intense and deep smile, knowing that she will soon return to her holy homeland in Aman  8-)

(http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah307/LaValchiria/High%20Elves%20on%20the%20Grey%20Havens_zpsczgiojnf.png)
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: bookworm1138 am 4. Jul 2016, 23:55
I'm going to put three, and they're all from Lord of the Rings (though the most memorable part of The Hobbit movies for me was when Bilbo spared Gollum):

1. The Charge of the Rohirrim at the Battle of Pelennor Fields. You can just see in their eyes that they have no hope of coming back as they charge across the field, and the Rohan theme playing and then the orcs start firing and it really gets me every time I watch Return of the King.  :(

2. this one is in the extended edition, but it still counts. the Journey to the Crossroads in Return of the King, where Frodo and Sam see the statue-head of the King of Gondor crowned with flowers. it always stood for me as a sign that, no matter how bad things get, there is always hope.

3. not as profound as the others, but admit it, we've all been guilty of this one: Galadriel's unnecessarily scary scene in Fellowship of the Ring. more than once it woke me up and demanded attention like a ghost in the room. i never fall asleep watching Lord of the Rings afterwards.  :D
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 5. Jul 2016, 00:19
I too like the statue scene in ROTK. I recently watched again the whole Extended Edition trilogy and that moment impressed me quite a lot: as far as I regarded it, it seemed to me as a sort of well-wishing prologue/prelude to the film, even though it also kind of anticipated the sorrows that Frodo would have gone through in order to succeed in his mission. The contrast between that quiet environment (which the statue is immersed into) and the slopes of Mordor's Mountains of Shadow is really powerful. Perfectly directed indeed.

Speaking about extended scenes, I would also mention the Passing of the Elves frame in FOTR. The whole atmosphere is extremely quiet and calm, along with the very chants of the Eldar in their holy journey. I often imagined how it would feel to be one of those Elves, passing through the old western forests in the evening's breeze and finally reaching the Grey Havens to eventually sail to the Blessed Realm  :P

Galadriel unveiling her dark desires shocked me as well when I first watched it. And, to think, I really disliked her as a child due to her initial ambiguous attitude towards the Fellowship (an interpretation of PJ and the writers, being her always benevolent and kind in the books). Very interesting that I then grew fond of her as my favourite character  xD
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: The_Necromancer0 am 5. Jul 2016, 11:44
I must say, from a cinematographic point of view my favorite scene is the charge of the Rohirrim at the battle of Helm's Deep. The combination of sound and image made it my personal favorite, it gives me chills everytime I watch it.
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: RiderOfRohan am 6. Jul 2016, 18:32
Sam's speech near the end of the Two Towers is my top scene from the lotr trilogy.
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 10. Jul 2016, 02:32
Zitat
It's a clean sweep!
Steven Spielberg

Never had words regarding the LOTR trilogy been more accurate than this statement from one of the greatest directors of all times  8-)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=AoKFtf4A_mc
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 4. Aug 2016, 01:43
The immense blessing of the sacred YouTube can also grant us the possibility to see a few hours of the LOTR behind-the-scenes for free  (**)

Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: The_Necromancer0 am 4. Aug 2016, 08:08
Behind the scenes are hilarious, the cast constantly joke around. I think my favorite behind the scenes moment is knowing Sean Bean would rather climb 2 hours in his Boromir suit than take an 20min helicopter to the filming location  xD
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 25. Okt 2016, 17:35
Though I'm still quite unsure whether that hypothetical 'LOTR Museum' (hinted at by PJ) will eventually become reality one day, it's already possible to experience guided tours throughout the locations used as setting for LOTR and the Hobbit. Wild lands, an unspoilt environment and absolutely characteristic places give us a clear perspective of New Zealand's natural particularity: in brief words, the proper context able to mirror Middle-earth.

LOTR (http://www.newzealand.com/int/the-lord-of-the-rings-trilogy/) and the Hobbit (http://www.newzealand.com/int/feature/the-hobbit-trilogy/)

Zitat
How can New Zealand not bewitch anyone who visits?
Sir Ian McKellen
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 21. Jan 2017, 02:32
The trailers, when the three-part masterpiece was not completely manifest to us yet  8-)

Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Fredius am 21. Jan 2017, 03:41
At exactly the 2:00 mark of the Fellowship of the Ring trailer, you can see a small shot of the deleted scene of the attack on Lothlorien by the Goblins (the moment Aragorn dodges the arrow).
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 21. Jan 2017, 20:28
Oh Lord, it's true. I had not noticed that! Thank you very much, Fred. That's a very interesting frame to consider, and if we add this piece to the whole puzzle (the other traces of that sequence), I think that it would have surely resulted in a great ensemble of action and fighting at the borders of the Golden Wood. Maybe, PJ and the other screenwriters didn't feel like focusing on additional dynamic aspects, given that the Fellowship had just survived the journey through Moria and their resting staying in Lothlórien was mainly meant to slow the pace of the narration (as it does do).

But it's really fascinating to know more about these old plans concerning the films, because it gives this masterpiece an even greater value: the original scheme seems to have initially comprehended a lot of material. Therefore, may we assume that the Goblins should have chased the Fellowship unto the borders of Lórien and assaulted the realm during the night too? That's really interesting.
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Fredius am 21. Jan 2017, 23:14
If I'm not mistaken they deleted the scene because Moria goblins couldn't stand daylight. However! I've searched a bit and I finally found the video I saw a long time ago; some guy on youtube made a compilation of all the small bits and pieces left over from that scene, and you can find it here. This is for you, my dear Walk xD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IqL_JIkVHY

There is also a small part where Eowyn fights the Uruk-Hai in the Glittering Caves, but for some reason they deleted that scene as well.
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 22. Jan 2017, 02:02
So many gifts in such brief time. Do you maybe have something to make up for, Fredius?  :D

No, really, many thanks for having unveiled a part of this arcane riddle! Yes, the Goblins are not capable of coping with daylight. It would have thus been more reasonable, if they had tried to violate the borders of Lórien during the night, as it happens in the books (if I'm not wrong) and as that mysterious image from that even more mysterious LOTR art-book, which I remember reading in elementary school, showed. The whole idea of that assault provides the sequence with a substantially different tone, and it strengthens the role of the sentinels of those borders at the same time.

As I previously wrote, though, the scene makes the arrival of the Fellowship in Lothlórien much more dynamic and I think this fact could have eventually altered the pace of the film (considering that the journey in Moria is the apex of action by definition). Again, a nocturnal intrusion (while the Fellowship is resting in Caras Galadhon) would have done better, in my own opinion.

Let's maintain the anticipation and desire for the Misty Mountains well alive!  8-)
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Fredius am 22. Jan 2017, 18:36
But wait.. there is more!

A compilation of every deleted scene in the trilogy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlXvQRXUL2E
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 22. Jan 2017, 19:55
That was really superb to watch! I had already seen some of them in other compilations, but never had I had the opportunity to find additional details about them. In particular, Galadriel being surrounded by the mist of the Golden Wood was very characteristic to behold  8-)

Even deleted scenes emanate a magical aura, when it comes to LOTR.
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: The_Necromancer0 am 16. Feb 2017, 12:07
I bring more tiding from the darkest corners of the internet. I have found many things that were once lost. I have found a list of the deleted scenes although I cannot guarantee its reliability.


And of course some more footage I found, some of it which overlaps with what Fredius has already found but also some new stuff.

And now, back to work! (being an evil dark lord is a full time occupation)
(http://i.giphy.com/GM9xeWzhdeKSQ.gif)
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 16. Feb 2017, 15:31
Such precious content. I just hope PJ will keep his words and give life to what he hinted at during the 2014 San Diego Comic-Con: the release of a mighty LOTR EE version, comprising many of those scenes. A monumental EE masterpiece  8-)

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/06/58/85/06588567f5bf0b57bcd5389328d7d35c.jpg)
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 27. Feb 2017, 02:06
Enya's marvellous masterpieces in Fellowship of the Ring. A contribution of an immense value to the LOTR cause  8-)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=NJVxEaGrHS4

https://youtube.com/watch?v=iMyo8I8AKmY
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 12. Mär 2017, 00:20
I have an interesting survey to propose to you, gentlemen of this thread. It's something I would really like you to share: when and in which circumstances did you watch each chapter of the monumental LOTR trilogy for the very first time?

We are thus to put forward our thoughts, feelings, impressions and sensations, as we experienced our own marvellous journey through this cinematographic masterpiece. My own story is obviously to follow the other contributions too. I hope you will be keen on letting us know your personal experiences  :)
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 4. Mai 2017, 01:06
https://youtube.com/watch?v=dXWWtg-tRR8
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 2. Jun 2017, 00:17
How close is it to the cinematographic depiction? ;)

Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 5. Jun 2017, 23:16
https://youtube.com/watch?v=mUrlTyNn4JI
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 10. Jun 2017, 17:45
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-Z17omYNY8c
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 14. Jun 2017, 18:06
One of the very first trailers of LOTR, when everything looked a little bit different from the excellent result we are used to watching.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Lq-Llrt9A3M
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 25. Jun 2017, 21:24
A quite long yet really precious behind-the-scenes footage from the LOTR trilogy. Many really interesting bits and trivia here and there, in tune with the real essence of this cinematographic masterpiece. Especially, what is happening at 0:25? An arcane secret of PJ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X2weKhZJ7I
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 1. Jul 2017, 16:04
Another pearl from the very old times of YouTube (2006!), when pieces like this would shine of a splendid light among the free and darker (more solitary) halls of the website. And, as usual, Enya and the LOTR trilogy are a match made in heaven ;)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=QJRejqlpzC0
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: AulëTheSmith am 29. Jul 2017, 00:22
Splendid videos you post here DieWalküre  :) I usually miss these old times. Speaking about Enya, if you are upset, sad, or simply you need relax, then watch this video. it brings me an immense sense of peace, the combination Aniron+snowy landscape is something beautiful in my opinion:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=iMyo8I8AKmY
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 29. Jul 2017, 00:59
Enya and LOTR are simply a perfect match made in heaven! There is something so much ethereal and akin between the two. Everything seems to combine in the best of the ways. Take a look at this old video. It shows the different story of two great female characters. One, whom Tolkien described as a pale beauty like a plant that struggles to survive winter, and the other who is promised to Aragorn and embodies the flawless beauty by definition (with an aura of sanctity). I would say that the very video is very much well-made, because it both focuses on Arwen's sad holiness (the dilemma of her fate and the Elven religious piety) and on the melancholic courage of Rohan's finest maiden.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Nki5pSXcmDI
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 2. Aug 2017, 01:35
https://youtube.com/watch?v=WiRDr0RNbRw
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Fingolfin König der Noldor am 4. Aug 2017, 07:27
@DieWalküre: So beautiful. How could morning start better than with this music?
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 4. Aug 2017, 09:23
It's really unbelievable how this kind of melodies can influence one's mood and have such a mesmerising effect. I think the whole soundtrack of the trilogy was and still is a wonderful masterpiece of contemporary music. Not only does the recording boast very meaningful and splendid songs, but the ambient/atmosphere sounds behind play a considerable role too. Every character and situation is endowed with its specific tones. There is also a great diversity in all of that: joy, jubilation, mournful occasions, strife, battle and evil vibes. The LOTR soundtrack has it all, really!
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 10. Aug 2017, 02:08
Your morning can indeed start in the best of the ways, with Enya's greatest song combined with the adventurous love triangle of the trilogy ;)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=lbgvujz2hEo
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 17. Aug 2017, 01:51
A homage to Middle-earth's last shield and defence. The last kingdom which of Númenor carries on the splendid legacy.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=CDGN6UdlbbE
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 18. Aug 2017, 00:24
Enya's latest album features a song that again takes inspiration from LOTR. The language is a fictional idiom fashioned on Elvish.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=5FrWoVC6SZ8
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 26. Aug 2017, 01:40
The Grey Wanderer.

(https://img10.deviantart.net/3ace/i/2017/096/d/0/gandalf_by_kimberly80-db4vcug.jpg)
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 2. Sep 2017, 00:12
For whom didn't know this: the very lyrics of this great masterpiece of LOTR soundtrack are entirely in Old English, as Tolkien himself had envisaged the language of Rohan. Mesmerising, epic and glorious at the same time.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=HKjOX6rP6Bk
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 11. Sep 2017, 00:09
https://youtube.com/watch?v=SmcB89L0X-w
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 16. Sep 2017, 23:53
https://youtube.com/watch?v=f3fHDt4xQFw
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 21. Sep 2017, 01:03
The Professor speaks! Footage of a past interview with Tolkien talking about his works and his character as a writer.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=XR-4vMEiQ_U
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 2. Okt 2017, 00:02
https://youtube.com/watch?v=yFexwNCYenI
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 6. Okt 2017, 01:48
https://youtube.com/watch?v=rXIx2Cu1Zfk
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 25. Okt 2017, 03:40
https://youtube.com/watch?v=PI_Q8g26zZM
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 1. Nov 2017, 01:05
https://youtube.com/watch?v=TQVi_DC9HvI
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 2. Dez 2017, 03:03
Zitat
Everything had to be designed. There were no shortcuts...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=qLk1VvbDAzM
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 1. Feb 2018, 01:10
Were you aware of this extended scene's existence? I had not been, until I was casually watching the LOTR trilogy again and I bumped into it. I myself have been always very fond of the great bond existing between Merry and Éowyn, and I believe it was portrayed very much accurately in the films, stressing the fact that both characters eventually end up being authors of the bravest deeds in battle, despite them not being supposed to participate in such cruel war. Specifically, this bit tells a lot about the Hobbit's pure and kind character, alien to any vain flaw, and the Shield-maiden just nodding and smiling reveals a lot in equal terms, for words are sometimes not necessary to convey certain emotions. That is, she doesn't have to express her profound admiration via speech or other akin manners.

Given the upcoming contest, much anxious anticipation pervades the scene and seals the two characters' friendship, as they're ready to ride and risk death. Truly, an amazing scene and ever-reminding of why the entire trilogy was worthy of such enormous success.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=eoHfFA8cY7I
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: AulëTheSmith am 6. Feb 2018, 01:39
I never had the curiosity of searching a translation of this passage of the movie. Saruman and Gandalf literally "speak" to the mountain like if it was alive. Saruman try to turn the fury of Redhorn against the fellowship speaking in Quenya, while Gandalf try to contain the natural elements spelling in Sindarin. An epic scene that I guess inspire thunderbolt related abilities of Saruman both in vanilla and Edain mod  :)

Saruman: Cuiva nwalca Carnirassë; nai yarvaxëa rasselya!
"Wake up cruel Redhorn! May your horn be bloodstained!"

Gandalf: Losto Caradhras, sedho, hodo, nuitho i ’ruith!
"Sleep Caradhras, be still, lie still, hold your wrath!"

Saruman: Cuiva nwalca Carnirassë Nai yarvaxëa rasselya; taltuva ñotto-carinnar!
"Wake up cruel Redhorn! May your bloodstained horn fall upon enemy heads!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NyL_qJn4F0&sns=em
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 7. Feb 2018, 12:44
That is one of the most significant representations of Tolkien's own conception of magic, exemplified by the two Istari challenging each other from afar by means of spoken spells, and their very words sound like imperative orders, asking that the mountain either be calm or burst with rage. Furthermore, it might probably have to do with the archetype of spells in medieval tales (but also from older sagas), in which poems or sung incantations may cast powerful blessings or curses; and, again, the theme of songs (musicality) and rhymes play a prime role. Just consider the historical figure of minstrels in medieval courts or of ancient bards/poets, who would be even requested to memorise entire epic cycles and to recite them in form of melody.

Tolkien offers numerous examples: the tenson between Finrod and Sauron, Lúthien singing and undoing the spell keeping Sauron's fortress together, the chanting of Yavanna that gave shape and life to the Two Trees and many other cases. There is so much to explore, if one delves into the deep lore of Arda!
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 11. Mär 2018, 18:33
https://youtube.com/watch?v=9FfvX8LP5MY
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 1. Jul 2018, 19:44
A quite old video, yet not less precious ;)

VIDEO (https://youtube.com/watch?v=gEMeBGmYGuE)
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 12. Aug 2018, 17:56
Here is an 'illuminating' collection of the worst adaptation changes of the LOTR films with regards to the books, according to the author's view. Some I agree with, others I find very questionable and superficial, to say the least.

ARTICLE (https://screenrant.com/lord-of-the-rings-worst-book-movie-changes-differences/)
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: Walküre am 30. Nov 2018, 18:47
Here is a quite vintage interview of PJ, reflecting on filming the series and choosing the cast. Quite interesting, if one considers that Return of the King was probably not out yet.

PJ (https://youtube.com/watch?v=-ggVDYcvNxg)
Titel: Re: The LOTR Trilogy
Beitrag von: 007hasan am 6. Dez 2019, 20:05
Tom Bombadil'i,glorfindel and  elrond's childrens/(Twins),There was no film. That was bad.  Elves were poorly touted. Faramir was poorly touted. Still excellent movies. I think he should have sticked to more books. witch king scene and cutting of many poems song.. pff :/