I agree with Adamin. The concept of a Ring-hero is highly speculative and is only in the game to make it more interesting. For the different factions there are different, more or less, suitable heros who may carry The One. The only thing that this changes is the characters powers and general power on the battlefield. Therefore I find it most interesting to have a new "Ring-concept" for Rivendell.well the logic is rather interesting, but i think it's actually impossible to completely delete the ring from the game (technically impossible). Not to mention that would kind of be disappointing for all the players; other factions get cool awesome heroes, and Imladres just "remove" the ring?
Yes it is true that Elrond is a person who is not "fond" of the ring, even though he would be able to wield it and possibly become much closer to his own elvish ring Viliya. I find him a good ring-hero as he is now, but let´s talk about a new concept.
The Rivendell elves, with Elrond as their leader, are not so likely to "use" The One as a acctual weapon. As is discussed at The council of Elrond, many suggestions are given to what to do with the ring. Some are linked to Tom Bombadill (ME:s own trollface) and others to a direct destruction of the ring. One however is rather unique and, in my opinion, suitable for the Noldor elves, that is: To send the ring over sea to the West.
In game-terms this would mean that after Imladris have captured the one Ring, they would (loudly thinking) take it to the citadel/fortress and then be able to "buy" a power saying "The Ring goes west" after that power is bought the ring disappears and cannot be used that game. Imladris as a faciton should get something "in reward" for sending the ring west, possibly some kind of power or training ability. This is just a concept.
One however is rather unique and, in my opinion, suitable for the Noldor elves, that is: To send the ring over sea to the West.
Hard to make other propositions. But impatient to see how Imladris will look like in 4.0 !
Then why should LONG-DEAD Durin be revived by the one ring?
Some suggestions:
Manwe
Celebrimbor
Gil-Galad
Eärendil
That's all i could've think of :D :D
Eärendil is of course aliveOf course that he is, yesterday was online.
but was ordered by the Valar to guard forever the Skyes of Arda and Aman with his Enchanted Ship, and thus can't go back to Middle Earth.Yes, it's nice, but primarily he is leader of the Edain team ... by the way ...
My light Galadriel is only trying to confuse "dark galadriel" xD
I know about the difference, but honestly - I sometimes have tendency to write "Earendil" (and many moddb users, as I found, as well) ... so I've solved this problem some time ago that I simply write "Ea" 8-| ... when I am talking generally about him. :P
@ Tiberius:
Our leader is "Ealendril", not "Earendil"
There is a small difference, our boss has a "lendr" in the middle, but the character in the silmarillion has a "rend" in the middle. :P
My light Galadriel is only trying to confuse "dark galadriel" xDEa is definitly ok for me. xD
I know about the difference, but honestly - I sometimes have tendency to write "Earendil" (and many moddb users, as I found, as well) ... so I've solved this problem some time ago that I simply write "Ea" 8-| ... when I am talking generally about him. :P
Ea is definitly ok for me. xDWell, I always thought that Ea is quite a modest creator. :D
Soooo... maybe Elros? Elrond's twin brother which choosed life of mortal? I't could be cool, it can be done throught statue like Durin. And i know, it wouldn't be lore appropriate, but c'mon... (PS. Celebrimbor will be fine too, he could be sent back like Glorfindel.)
Unexplored are the ways of Eru. He could send back anyone who he wants. xD
Durin is mortal, but he gets revived by his sons named also Durin, because they all was like the first one. So the dwarfes thougt, Durin is immortal and Aule brings him back every time, to receive the spirit of the dwarfes.User CynasFan explained it, too. Durin is like Dalai Lama for Dwarves.
Gil-galad! He was strong enough to fight Sauron himself so I think he's an ideal choice! So what if he's dead, this could be a "what-if Gil-galad survived?" Or perhaps he is sent back by the Valar (like Glorfindel) to deal with the Ring because of his experience with Sauron personally?
I will admit though, I am extremely biased. Gil-galad is my favorite Tolkien character, even more so than Saruman! :D
i like to see a what if xD
glofinder returned so a what if gil galad return ;)
The One Ring would be the reason he is brought back, Eru or the Valar (whoever sent Glorfindel) would be the one(s) to actually send Gil-galad back, which could have happened. :)i like to see a what if xD
But it wouldn't be possible either way :)
The One Ring can't totally bring back from Valinor any Elven Soul or living Elf.
Durin is a totally different matter, since Reincarnation is a characteristic of the Dwarves' nature.
No one can leave Aman 8-)
The One Ring would be the reason he is brought back, Eru or the Valar (whoever sent Glorfindel) would be the one(s) to actually send Gil-galad back, which could have happened. :)
So... not Gil-galad, not Elros, not Celebrimbor... maybe Glorfindel? I think he is better option than Elrond. He slayed Gothmog and back to middle-earth after death. I think that he got strong enough will to not be possessed by ring, at least not too fast.
The One Ring would be the reason he is brought back, Eru or the Valar (whoever sent Glorfindel) would be the one(s) to actually send Gil-galad back, which could have happened. :)
No, actually :)
Every 'what if' situation of all the other factions is based essentially on 'real' possibilities, though very strange and improbable.
Because Gandalf, Théoden, Saruman (and the other ring heroes) really had the possibility (even if it was really slight) to achieve the One Ring.
The Valar, after the War of Wrath, decided not to intervene anymore in the World, fearing other possible destructions.
They, then, 'only' sent the Wizards to guide the Free People of Middle Earth and Glorfindel, as a really unexpected exception, because every Elf who lives or was reborn in Valinor can't return to Middle Earth; this is an absolute rule of Valinor, there is thus no possibility or any space for 'what if' situations in the first place.
Not to mention that we don't know if Gil-galad was actually ever reborn in Valinor or he is still mourning in the Halls of Mandos as a spirit.
Gil-galad has his reasons in being implemented through the Last Alliance spell, along with his allies of Arnor and Gondor; this is an unique and characteristic spell of Rivendell that refers to the Second Age.
The One Ring can't bring anyone back from Valinor, since the power of the Valar is far beyond it.
Thank you for your explanation. It makes a lot of sense. :)
Maybe ring hero could be just good ol' Tom? Elrond can't find any suitable man to give him ring and send with mission to destroy, so he decide hide it. In secret he send for Tom Bombadil and passes ring to him.
I must propose Glorfindel as the ring- hero too, but I suppose Cirdan is more suitable since he has never been in Valinor, he gave his ring willingly but with all the "ifs" I read above i suppose that this small story I wrote could happen taking under consideration the power of the One Ring and its ability to dominate even on the purest of souls.
If you read the previous comments, you will see that I tried to give the proper explanation about why Glorfindel couldn't be a Ring Hero, and why I think it won't be so in the game.I've read them all and that is why I came up with Cirdan as the ring- hero, obviously what you have said is correct but as you said
neither Elrond nor Glorfindel have ever had any interest or thought of using the One Ringso there could be Glorfindel as a ring- hero based on the same logic that Elrond is such.
Regarding Círdan, his usage of the One Ring would be too much contradictory, given that he doesn't have any ambitious desire of power if not guarding the Havens and guiding the few Eldar that still lingered in Middle Earth towards their final journey to the West.That is obvious but I tried to give a higly unlikely but plausible explanation about him wanting the One Ring.
the One Ring's nature grants its bearer sensational powers, but at the cost of a gradual consumption and corruption of both mind and bodythat is why I proposed the drawbacks of Cirdan's powers given by the One Ring.
IIRC, a beta tester once said that they had found some interesting mechanisms.Can confirm. xD
Though while it is true that Elrond never actually expressed any interest in using the Ring, you could say that every good Ring Hero is a "What if"-Character. Galadriel maybe openly desired the Ring, but in the end declined. Gandalf rejected it from the get go, although assuming that he could do many good things with it (at the beginning).
So saying that these people could take the Ring is not as far away from saying Elrond could do so as well, even if it's not as obvious. He's certainly powerful enough.
Okay, if I understand this correctly, from Elendil and Walks comments is that the team have already decided on what to do for the Imladris Ring Hero situation, and have begun implementing it. However, the Beta players obviously can't say.
If so, damnit I want to know really badly now, and if not, my apologies for misunderstanding. :D
Saeros, you have the right to do whatever you want with your unique concept if you are determined and convinced about it.
Only, I wanted to question that your ideas still don't resolve completely the core issues raised throughout the debate.I guessed my idea was able to solve those concerns and by the details I gave, I thought this suggestion could find its way in the mod.
@DieWalküre: Well, the elves are sad to leave Middle-Earth, and after the ring is destroyed their realms will fade. They also have the longing for the glory of past ages. So Elrond as High King of the Noldor, restoring the old splendour makes sense throughout.
@DieWalküre: Well, the elves are sad to leave Middle-Earth, and after the ring is destroyed their realms will fade. They also have the longing for the glory of past ages. So Elrond as High King of the Noldor, restoring the old splendour makes sense throughout.
I think it doesn't make so much sense, though.
Because the pivotal fact is that Elrond doesn't have and wouldn't have the intention and will of achieving something of that kind, accepting the ineluctable destiny of the Elves and remembering what type of effects the One Ring eventually displays (in his total refusal of the One Ring, I always found him a bit 'purer' than Galadriel, regarding this very specific aspect).
That's why I believe it would be highly difficult moving throughout this what-if possibility to seek for not so inaccurate concepts.
In fact, the solution that has been found exactly reflects the fact that Imladris doesn't want the One Ring ;)
One thing that I have in my mind that when Elrond (I suppose he is a ring hero) gets the ring he could gain new abilities (or the old ones remain with stronger effects) but when he uses some of them it cost's him not hit points (like Zaphragor) but experience. This could be a reference as the ring corrupts the minds of people. So all his ring abilities would be available at level 1 and he would get exp faster than other heroes due to that his abilities cost exp points and have cooldown (ofc).I like this concept, although I would make some abilities be more than level 1 just to up the stakes.
So, at the turn of the tide, the MYSTERY has finally been revealed 8-)
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Is this the only thing i will be able to do as elrond with the ring cant he use it by himself like in the older versions of the mod like an alternative way to use the ring ???
well i know that this is the lore way to go but still i think it would be a good thing if wee had a what if version of elrond with the ring what do you think ???