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[en] Edain Mod => [Edain] Suggestions => [Edain] General Suggestions => Thema gestartet von: Raptor6 am 22. Mai 2015, 18:41

Titel: New Angmar Champion
Beitrag von: Raptor6 am 22. Mai 2015, 18:41
I have several ideas for a female hero of Angmar.

1. A vampire woman

2. An Angmarrim sorceress

3. A spy or scout type character

4. A Swordswoman who can toggle between sword and and bow and arrow. Also including a mount option.

I have several references for the designs

http://img12.nnm.me/2/a/a/9/c/7d845d35ab794a8edbf9d11e3e5.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/f9/31/7b/f9317bc0e318067d7be9c347bb8f73d4.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b2/47/bb/b247bb236c506c08ee0d359d716c79fb.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/20/eb/9d/20eb9d0f47d4504c4fcd68d29d16cfba.jpg

Or I could always share some of my own drawings for model references.
Titel: Re: New Angmar Champion
Beitrag von: TiberiusOgden am 22. Mai 2015, 18:54
Nice inspiration from Skyrim's Dark Brotherhood. 8-)
Titel: Re: New Angmar Champion
Beitrag von: Gnomi am 22. Mai 2015, 19:24
The problem is just that such ideas doesn't help us very much...
How should the heroes be integrated? Abilities? Strengths? Weaknesses? Why do you think that they fit into the faction/the faction needs them?^^
Titel: Re: New Angmar Champion
Beitrag von: Raptor6 am 22. Mai 2015, 20:22
I'm writing them down now actually. But you'll have to wait, I'm leaving home in about 10 minutes and I'll be driving for about an hour and a half.
Titel: Re: New Angmar Champion
Beitrag von: hoho96 am 22. Mai 2015, 22:33
Lol take your time mate. this thread will still be open when you get back  ;)
Titel: Re: New Angmar Champion
Beitrag von: TiberiusOgden am 22. Mai 2015, 22:38
Zitat von: hoho96 am 22. Mai 2015, 22:33
this thread will still be open when you get back  ;)

Really, Modding union forums are without countdowns. :D
Titel: Re: New Angmar Champion
Beitrag von: Raptor6 am 23. Mai 2015, 07:07
Okay, I got some ideas for the the vampire.

1. Vampire
. Bloodlust: Level 1, it's a passive ability when she engages in battle, she gains a lust for blood. It grants her 4% more speed and inflicts 2% more damage.
. Flight: Level 3, she can transform into a bat and fly; and she can attack from above fellbeast style.
. Summon Bats: Level 6, she can summons a swarm of bats to act as her shield, weakening enemy units.
. Kiss: Level 9, She can bite enemy troops and make them into vampires much like how they turn into wights when stabbed by ringwraiths.

Her weapons are a pair of curved blades.

I'll post more ideas later.


Titel: Re: New Angmar Champion
Beitrag von: Walküre am 23. Mai 2015, 20:21
I don't know, it doesn't convince me, not for your ideas themselves about her abilities, but for the lore accuracy of the whole concept.

The Vampires, that Tolkien refers to in his texts, are mysterious and evil bat-like creatures that have probably the ability of shape shifting in both 'humans' and giant bats, and that were at the service of Gorthaur/Sauron, who could by the way turn in a vampire as well.
The problem is that the Vampires were only present in the World in Beleriand, during the First Age, legendary times for the people of the Third Age, in which immensely terrible powers used to clash both for the Good and the Evil; it is likely that after the War of Wrath all these creatures (Vampires, Werewolves,...) were totally slain by the Host of the Valar, and thus became elements of the legends of Men of the Third Age, as it often happens with characters or events concerning the Past of Middle Earth).

Furthermore, the particular power of shape shifting is deeply related to the Valar and the Maiar, a power that Gorthaur/Sauron already has in the game.

I personally would prefer more a sorceress concept, or something more related to the universe of Men in the Third Age  :)


Titel: Re: New Angmar Champion
Beitrag von: Raptor6 am 24. Mai 2015, 21:47
Ok, how's this...

Sorceress

. Blood Magic: Leven 1, when she casts the spell, her basic attack gains more 4% more damage, causes bleeding effect on heroes.
. Mount: Level 3, she can toggle between foot and steed.
. Dead Mist: Level 6, She can summons a mist that weakens enemies and strengthens allies
. Summon Weights: Level 9, she can summon a hoard of burrow weights which lasts for a minute.

I apologize if these powers don't sound cool or uniq for her. If so, then I am more than happy to hear other peoples ideas for powers/abilities.
Titel: Re: New Angmar Champion
Beitrag von: bookworm1138 am 25. Mai 2015, 02:21
hmm, interesting idea.

Just a few thoughts, what would her specialty be? I always thought of Angmar as an icy, northern side, and her abilities feel very support-class: like she strengthens and empowers the other Angmar units, but can't hold her own in a one-on-one with some of the opposition's more powerful, heavy-hitting heroes. The barrow-wight spell seems alright, but i feel like she lacks a very powerful, offensive spell.
Titel: Re: New Angmar Champion
Beitrag von: Raptor6 am 25. Mai 2015, 04:39
How about a spell where she selects an area of enemy troops that kills them on the spot?  Like a storm of icy horses raining upon them, like the Riverhorse and Avalanche attack put together.
Titel: Re: New Angmar Champion
Beitrag von: Raptor6 am 27. Jun 2015, 06:01
Here is my first concept sketch for how the character could look. It's not one of my better drawings, but this is just a concept. I'm thinking a similar color scheme to Aganduar from War in The North but instread of Red and Black, it's Black and Blue.

(http://orig07.deviantart.net/3f0c/f/2015/177/1/9/angmar_sorceress_concept_by_troyandfriends-d8ywvco.jpg)

('m honestly a much better drawer than this. I wasn't using a good material paper for complex sketching, but I should re-make it some time.)
Titel: Re: New Angmar Champion
Beitrag von: hoho96 am 27. Jun 2015, 12:14
Waw, that's actually a pretty good sketch :)

You're sure you don't work for a concepts studio or something?
Titel: Re: New Angmar Champion
Beitrag von: Raptor6 am 25. Jul 2015, 22:59
No I don't though I really wish I could.

So after looking at the results for the vote poll, it looks like you guys really want her to be a vampiress?

am I right.
Titel: Re: New Angmar Champion
Beitrag von: Walküre am 25. Jul 2015, 23:08
Zitat von: Raptor6 am 25. Jul 2015, 22:59
No I don't though I really wish I could.

So after looking at the results for the vote poll, it looks like you guys really want her to be a vampiress?

am I right.

It seems to  :)
She would be a descendant of the terrible Vampires led by Sauron in the First Age.
Titel: Re: New Angmar Champion
Beitrag von: hoho96 am 26. Jul 2015, 11:45
Zitat von: DieWalküre am 25. Jul 2015, 23:08
She would be a descendant of the terrible Vampires led by Sauron in the First Age.

Could she be Sauron's forgotten daughter?! OMG!! The most ground breaking new in Middle Earth since the Last Alliance!!!
 [uglybunti]
Titel: Re: New Angmar Champion
Beitrag von: Walküre am 26. Jul 2015, 13:08
Zitat von: hoho96 am 26. Jul 2015, 11:45


Could she be Sauron's forgotten daughter?! OMG!! The most ground breaking new in Middle Earth since the Last Alliance!!!
 [uglybunti]

Yes  :P
Of him and Thuringwethil the Maia, his servant/girlfriend  :)

Titel: Re: New Angmar Champion
Beitrag von: hoho96 am 26. Jul 2015, 13:53
Waw, that picture nailed it!
Titel: Re: New Angmar Champion
Beitrag von: Walküre am 26. Jul 2015, 14:11
Zitat von: hoho96 am 26. Jul 2015, 13:53
Waw, that picture nailed it!

But do not let yourself be fooled by her fine appearance  :)


The true form of the Ainur resembles and corresponds to their inner essence and nature (good or evil); she was one of the most feared and dreadful Maia of Beleriand, so this is probably her true form.


She's nice, isn't she  [ugly]

Titel: Re: New Angmar Champion
Beitrag von: Raptor6 am 26. Jul 2015, 18:05
Zitat von: DieWalküre am 26. Jul 2015, 14:11
(http://pre09.deviantart.net/b49c/th/pre/i/2014/008/7/c/thuringwethil_by_turnermohan-d71dz9d.jpg)[/spoiler]

She's nice, isn't she  [ugly]

Hey, that's TurnerMohan's artwork! He's really good at drawing orcs to, though I still prefer the Weta's references to an extent.
Titel: Re: New Angmar Champion
Beitrag von: Raptor6 am 1. Sep 2015, 19:54
I've decided that this hero should be a jack of all traits! A sorceress who can change into a bat or summon a hoard of bats and is a swordswoman.
Titel: Re: New Angmar Champion
Beitrag von: Walküre am 2. Sep 2015, 03:09
Zitat von: Raptor6 am  1. Sep 2015, 19:54
I've decided that this hero should be a jack of all traits! A sorceress who can change into a bat or summon a hoard of bats and is a swordswoman.


I voted for the concept of a Sorceress, and I think it would be the wisest solution  :)

It could be interesting finding a kind of compromise among those three concepts (Vampire, Sorceress and Swordswoman), also because the results of the poll are quite even.
But, as I have already written in my previous comments, I don't really like the idea of a shape shifting Vampire in the Third Age, as it would be, I think, quite anachronistic and not lore accurate, being it a strong and deep reference to the First Age, that rightly and legitimately belongs only to Gorthaur in the Edain Mod.

That's why, I think, you should focus more on Sorcery or Black Magic, something that Angmar was very famous and feared about.
It's not a coincidence that the Ruler of this Realm is known as the 'Witch-king'.