Hey Tienety,
once more some discussion about dwarven units? :D
I think you mean the heroe units and not the elite units. Every dwarven faction has its own elite units: Dwarven Defenders (Ered Luin), Dwarven Slayers (Iron Hills) and Axe Swinger (Erebor).
Personally, i think the khazad veterans are fitting perfect as heroe units for every faction.^^
I don´t like ram-riders being implemented for the dwarven factions!
Reason: Absolutely NO evidence for dwarves riding rams in Tolkien´s books.
I didn´t like it in the movie (as I didn´t like most of the Hobbit movies) and I don´t want to see it in the mod.
The dwarves are a faction without cavalry and they should stay as they are, with the exception of the god old battlewaggons.
I don´t like ram-riders being implemented for the dwarven factions!
Reason: Absolutely NO evidence for dwarves riding rams in Tolkien´s books.
I didn´t like it in the movie (as I didn´t like most of the Hobbit movies) and I don´t want to see it in the mod.
The dwarves are a faction without cavalry and they should stay as they are, with the exception of the god old battlewaggons.
This is your opinion. Edain mod includes a lot things from the movies. Many people like this Ram riders. This is something unique for the Iron Hills. 8-)
Furthermore I can tell you, that the Hobbit movies (and especially those riders, except for Dain´s pig) are not very popular in the german community (and also among the team, as far as I remember).
Oh, I'm sad to hear that, those rams are what I was expecting the most from Edain's dwarves. But that's ok, I'll no longer raising my hopes for this...
What about movie design for Iron Hills and Erebor soldiers? Does the Team plan on implementing it or will they keep the current 3.8.1 look?
As far as I know ... rams are already implemented for battle wagons or demolishers. So there is definitely inspiration from the last Hobbit movie.I didn´t say they don´t use anything from the movies.
I just said (that I think) they won´t implement dwarves riding on rams.
I just said (that I think) they won´t implement dwarves riding on rams.
Answer from Modbb.com concerning riders:
It is a really grat idea that should make everyone happy and keep the balance Movie/Books! But about the Khazad-Dum Veterans I do not like that the chances of geting them is really small I send like 20 battalions to get5-6 Max and only consisting of 5 Soldiers lets make them at least 10!? :)
I wouldnt say Hundreds but at least let those 4-5 Battalions be with 10 Soldiers! :) And yup the cahnces are too low and you lose so many good and faithfull Guardians! :(
255 Speed! :)Really? I think that Dwarves will be quite a lot fast - in that case ... They will be the fastest units in the whole game, maybe the fastest units from the all strategy games. :o
So why not instead of Summoning 4 Battalions of different Units from the Kingdoms,he would be able to summon Max 5 Battalions of Iron Hills Slayers similar to how he went with them to Erebor,while their place in the Dwarven Barracks can be taken by Ram Riders which can consist of Max 5 Battalions with 10 Soldiers in them!?
And another thing I think Lord Dain deserves a better Leadership as Lord and Leader and Heir of Durin a permament one not only temporal ones,like sometihng Allies near him get 30% Damage and 25% Speed! :)Yes, I agree. Dain is Lord of the Iron Hills and leader. I think He could get passive leadership as Thorin and Dain in other subfactions.
OK you don't agree about the Leadership bonus,but how about the other suggestion!?
A out the Ballista I agree but still it shoukd be limited to like 5 Ballistas!About the Riders I agree that they shouldnt be overpowered like veterans,but I mean for them to be limited Elite Unit not Hero Unit and they wont be as powerful as Gondor Knights or Rohan Rohirims they will be little slower and small in numbers to Show that Dwarves are not typical Cavalry faction ! :-)So you are requesting a completely new desing to be completely useless against other elite-hero cabalrys? That have no sense, keep in mind that make a new unit get a lot of time, and if the team Spend their time will be for something usefull which could make more fun and more interesting the strategy. But with many respect, Ironhills is perfect, i have to say, many people say that they want film desings for that dwarves, but these are awesome, so in my opinion i prefer the edain team spending time in other things like fixpatches . If you want ram ridders you can make a submod named ( Ram-Ridders simulator) or something like that, I simply hate how Peter jackson ruin the hobbit films, and this ram ridders are one of that things which must be cut.
So there isnt enough with infantry that can charge, get damage bonus and also reduce armor, not enough with elite units which can crush enemies like paper, not enough with the most awesome and powerfull heros, not enugh with the best archer and the most high damage hero, not enough with the best anti-infantry catapults which burn areas in fire, no [ugly]...... we need the ram riders [uglybunti], because the faction isnt complete and need that goats jumping and crushing orcs :D.
Camon people, this idea could be awesome for a submod, but no for the main mod. If you arent agree with me, start a pull "Do you want ram riders or not?" But this is only my opinion, what do you think?
Happy to see someone finally agree!As I said Ram Riders will be medium strong cavalry and will just make Iron Hilsl more uniqe and different which will make them more fun to play!Glad that someone apriciate the good work of WETA and the cooldesigns! :)
P.S. Благодаря,приятел! :)
I am happy that you agree it really means a lot to me!And I am glad that you see the logic of my reasons! :) And lets not foget that durign its time Iron Hills was the Strongest Dwarven Realm and one of the strongest in that part of the World in a MIllitary way so it is natural to have a really developed and blanced Army! And some limited Cavalry will fit great in my opinoin and Ram Cavalry does the job perfect! :)
Thank you! :) A little by little things can changed! :) And not only in Iron Hills but Erebor too! :)I am happy that you agree it really means a lot to me!And I am glad that you see the logic of my reasons! :) And lets not foget that durign its time Iron Hills was the Strongest Dwarven Realm and one of the strongest in that part of the World in a MIllitary way so it is natural to have a really developed and blanced Army! And some limited Cavalry will fit great in my opinoin and Ram Cavalry does the job perfect! :)Exactly, for the lore reasons and facts that you stated, I think, even if it's not the priority now, that the Iron Hills should be changed a bit in the future, focusing on its advanced and powerful military strength and warfare; just like the faction of the 'Blue Mountains' naturally relies on the strength of its great heroes.
That's why I am totally for implementing, wisely and gradually, interesting BOTFA concepts like Iron Hills soldiers, ballistas and ram riders :)
I like your idea, though I wish that all sub-factions factions have access to ram riders.
ZitatI like your idea, though I wish that all sub-factions factions have access to ram riders.
Yes, I also wish that they were to appear in all of the sub-factions. I think ram pastoring and riding, as well as boar, should be a an activity permeating all dwarven culture, not just Iron Hills, given that they all live in mountainous areas and the use of rams (or dire rams, in D&D language lol) would be very convenient for riding.
Exactly!I said he should Summon a Max of 3 Battalions of Ram Cavalry which should be Medium Strentgh ! :)Hm maybe this is not bat idea, 3 Battalions of Ram riders with medium strength only for Iron Hills. Maybe Ram riders can be in Assembly Hall:
Well, here are some good parts and some bad in my opinion. :)
Well, here are some good parts and some bad in my opinion. :)My idea is that Assembly Hall will have only three standard units from Ered Mithrin(with movie design of Iron Hills army):
Personally, I support your idea of Assembly Hall. (As you noticed. xD )
About Ram Riders, I really don't care are they from Ered Mithrin or Iron Hills. That is justified from my prospective, because I think they should be implemented like you suggested in Dain's level 10 spell. With them I would like to see also battalions of BOTFA spear battalions in Dain's level 10 spell.(That is because that old veterans model are for Orocarni warriors, are you forgot already? xD These BOTFA spearman could be named Vetrans of BOTFA, or Veterans of Dwarven-Orcish wars or something like that) And all that units should be temporary so there won't be some crucial disturbance of balance between dwarven factions. :)
Dwarfs shouldn't have Elite Cavalry,as I mentioned few comments before they will be Medium Cavalry! :-)
Simply they do not like anything
i want to see them in battle with azog (**) please just work on these 9 dwarves thror,fror,groin ,thrainll,borin,nar,nain,gror,fundin most of they're images are on one wiki to rule them allI honestly don´t understand why you ask the same thing on different threads over and over again...
im not a modder and i can post w.e i want if u dont like it dont read it :P