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Titel: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 26. Jul 2015, 17:36
Since I do not see the "Citadel" Summon so useful in the new System and also its hard to place her somewhere I think Dawrves needs a better Ultimate Spell while the "Earthquake" should stay! :) And in the same way as Arnor has a Natural Disaster or Magic Nature Spell and also have a big Reinforcments Summon in the face of "Army of Gondor" or as Gondor even has two "Rohan Answers!" and "Summon Army of the Dead" and some has "Last Aliance of Men and Elves" I think that Dwarves can have a similar Summon next to the "Earthquake" !:)
It can be called "Seven Armies of the Dwarves" or "Host from the War of Dwarves and Orcs" where they will summon a Battalion from Ered Luin,Iron Hills,Grey Mountain and Orocarni,one Battalion of Each or just from Ered Luin,Erebor and Iron Hills led by Thror( I know he fought there only in the Movie,but Edain has implemended some stuff like they are only in the Movies so... ) ,Thrain II and Nain II from Iron Hills!! :)
This way we will have cool new Heroes like Thror and Thrain and some new and mighty like Nain father of Dain and Dwarves will have a balance to all other Factions and most importantly it fits as a Spell for every Kingdom! :)
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: Dardrad_of_Ered_Luin am 26. Jul 2015, 18:15
I like the two spells that you have suggested especially the last. :)

Incidentally gray mountain battalions and Orocarni will look the same as suggested in the New and Different topic Outpost Building for Ered Luin?
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: Tienety am 26. Jul 2015, 18:51
I agree, I don't like this Citadela spell. This bulding is more fits for Outpost.

Maybe something like this?
Battle of Azanulbizar spell
(http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/2/1488/Anza.jpg)
This spell summon these units and heroes:
1) Thrain and 2-3 battalions from Ered Luin
2) Thror and 2-3 battalions from Erebor
3) Nain and 2-3 battalions from Iron Hills
Everyone hero will present one subfaction(so this spell will be suitable for all three factions).

Also, I think that Earthquake spell needs some change. It is strange that the dwarves simply summoning earthquake. :D
Maybe it would be better if you can summon Earth Shaker(unit in Erebor) and he creates earthquake.

what do you think?  8-)
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 26. Jul 2015, 19:18
I like the two spells that you have suggested especially the last. :)

Incidentally gray mountain battalions and Orocarni will look the same as suggested in the New and Different topic Outpost Building for Ered Luin?
Glad you like it!Well,yes,probably they will have that design,I do not think they will need new one!?Do you!? :)
I agree, I don't like this Citadela spell. this bulding is more fits for Outpost.

Maybe something like this?
Battle of Azanulbizar spell
(http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/2/1488/Anza.jpg)
This spell summon these units and heroes:
1) Thrain and 2-3 battalions from Ered Luin
2) Thror and 2-3 battalions from Erebor
3) Nain and 2-3 battalions from Iron Hills
Everyone hero will present one subfaction(so this spell will be suitable for all three factions).

Also, I think that Earthquake spell needs some change. It is strange that the dwarves simply summoning earthquake. :D
Maybe it would be better if you can summon Earth Shaker(unit in Erebor) and he creates earthquake.

what do you think?  8-)
Agree with your suggestion for 2-3 Battalions and also this way eveyone will be happy to see Thror and Thrain II from the Movie a lot of people wnated them including me I love theri Movie Looks and I like them as a Cahracters they are from my Favourite especially Thror ! ;) About the Name I preder "Oath of the Dwarven Clans"or "Host from Azanulbizar"may be!? :)
And also about Nain I think that with few changes ,the Team can use Dain Old Model for Iron Hills,I tihnk it will fit perfect for him with slight changes! :)
Hmm,now that you mentioned it Dwarves do not have such powerfull Magic,so I agree that some kinf of Device or Machine made by Dwarven Enjgenering should do the Earhquake! :) Something Stronger than the erebor Earth Shaker! That will be great for the Dwaves
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: TiberiusOgden am 26. Jul 2015, 19:18
Your ideas are very similar to "Last alliance spell" and ultimate spells for Gondor/Arnor ... and similar to Grond.
It means that it won't be unique.
But yes, I completely agree that fortress summoning is strange, but I haven't problem with that, because Dwarves already have two different options for outpost.
And yes, I also agree that "Earthquake" is quite exaggerated for Dwarves and that there should be some reason, some machine for it.
Overall, I think that you only need better to work with these ultimate spells and with your thoughts. ;)
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 26. Jul 2015, 19:22
Well it is kind of a similar but still thats for the Balance I guess! Each Faction has some great reinformcents summon either as low Spell or as Ultimate Spell some have even few so I think Dwarves need one too! :)
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: TiberiusOgden am 26. Jul 2015, 19:34
Each Faction has some great reinformcents summon either so I think Dwarves need one too! :)
But for Dwarves is big advantage (in comparison with rest of factions) fact - that they have many heroes who can summon other heroes. And in the spellbook is Beorn with beornings and Gandalf who is one of the best summon spells in the game. xD
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 26. Jul 2015, 19:49
Only Ered Luin has Hero Summons!While Gandalf and few Beorings can't be compared to summoning big armies with 2-3 Legendary Heroes or big packs of Wargs amd Orcs ! :-) So I think this Spell will be nice balance change and very interesting for play! :-)
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: TiberiusOgden am 26. Jul 2015, 19:58
Gandalf and few Beorings can't be compared to summoning big armies with 2-3 Legendary Heroes or big packs of Wargs amd Orcs ! :-)
Yes, they can be, they have lesser cooldown than ultimate spells which you mentioned. :P
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 26. Jul 2015, 20:00
Still I think they need the spell!Some factions have even more than two army summons! :-)
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: TiberiusOgden am 26. Jul 2015, 20:02
So yes, they can summon fortress, no faction can summon fortress. :D
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: Lord of Mordor am 26. Jul 2015, 20:03
The Citadel is one of the most unique spells in the game, I actually wish we had more spells this unique instead of the usual army summons. We can certainly make it stronger if it's too weak, but I don't think we'll remove it.
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: CynasFan am 26. Jul 2015, 20:10
I have to agree to LoM.
I am against this summon spell.
The dwarfes doesn´t need something like this and for me the citadel is very iconic for dwarfes. But you are right, if you say that citadel is too weak.
So my purpose is, that the current citadel remains, but this troops and heroes can get about the citadel. So the citadel is very usefull and the dwarfes can get a really unique spell.
Greetings, CynasFan
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 26. Jul 2015, 20:12
The Citadel is one of the most unique spells in the game, I actually wish we had more spells this unique instead of the usual army summons. We can certainly make it stronger if it's too weak, but I don't think we'll remove it.
I see and thank you for the reply!I guess further diskussion is not needed then! :)
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: TiberiusOgden am 26. Jul 2015, 20:14
The Citadel is one of the most unique spells in the game
Didn't I tell you Dain? :P
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: Tienety am 26. Jul 2015, 20:16
The Citadel is one of the most unique spells in the game, I actually wish we had more spells this unique instead of the usual army summons. We can certainly make it stronger if it's too weak, but I don't think we'll remove it.

If I know, Gorthaur/Ring Sauron has a very similar spell. :D
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: TiberiusOgden am 26. Jul 2015, 20:21
If I know, Gorthaur/Ring Sauron has a very similar spell. :D
Yes, but Dwarven fortress is ultimate spell for the spellbook and Sauron has it as a final skill. Either way it's still unique for both cases, but yes, if someone else will have fortress summoning as well, it won't be unique then.
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 26. Jul 2015, 21:05
The problem is not.only in the uniqueness but also I do not think it fits so good and the current system ,I mean small.tower's are one but this building is quite big and It is really hard to find a place for it most of the time! :-)
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: Tienety am 26. Jul 2015, 21:13
The problem is not.only in the uniqueness but also I do not think it fits so good and the current system ,I mean small.tower's are one but this building is quite big and It is really hard to find a place for it most of the time! :-)
Yes, this is big problem with Citadel spell. It is very difficult to summon Citadel somewhere on the map(especially on maps as Osgiliath), because this building is too big.  [ugly]
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 26. Jul 2015, 21:25
Exactly and I think thats really big problem and disadvantage some times cuz it practically makes it useless!
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: Dardrad_of_Ered_Luin am 26. Jul 2015, 23:16
I agree with the point that mentioned LordDainIronfoot
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: Gandalf The Gray am 27. Jul 2015, 01:31
I  agree with LordDainIronfoot
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 27. Jul 2015, 04:33
I am glad you agree with me guys! :-)
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: Gandalf The Gray am 27. Jul 2015, 12:05
Whatever you say mate about the dwarfs its usually very good and lore lore friendly

and not only the dwarfs mate you usually have good suggestions and i wanna ask you if you have a good suggestion about gandalf  http://forum.modding-union.com/index.php/topic,31433.0.html check it
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: CragLord am 27. Jul 2015, 14:29
Well this suggestion is really tempting. Like most of yours which are concern Dwarfs.
I would like to test this spell in this beta version of game. :)
Often I also got mad, when trying to place Citadel on some maps. (Really frustrating)
But I also found this spell very crucial (personally in my gameplays) for Dwarven faction.
I am also for upgrading Citadel somehow, make it stronger at least. (it is not too weak right now, but it isn't strong.)
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 27. Jul 2015, 15:30
I still prefer a Army Summon!The Citadel is not so useful and hard to place!I also use it as a line of deffense but still I prefer a strong Army with cool Heroes!Not to mention it looks kind of  wierd like a spell for a Building coming out from nowhere! Something unique is not always better in my opinion! :)
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: Gnomi am 27. Jul 2015, 15:43
But army summons are also not always better.
Dwarves are known for their strong buildings and for having some of the best architects.
A troup summon doesn't really show something special about the dwarves, it just gives you some units, that's all.
While Isengard is known for building a huge army within a small time (therefore they can summon a big army), the dwarves don't have the possibility to create such a huge army within seconds and are more known for mining, building some fortresses and stay there.
This is perfectly shown with the last spell.

Why remove something which shows one of the most important aspects of a faction and remove it with a generic spell which just shows one event where the faction participated in?

This spell will most likely be used very often offensive and I personally don't think that it fits for the dwarven to have so many strong offensive possibilities, while they were in truth far more defensive in the third age.
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: Dardrad_of_Ered_Luin am 27. Jul 2015, 16:08
Then if the dwarves buildings are so hard because it is so easy to destroy the citadel which is also all a problem size. :(

So I would not complain if the change and make it a bit harder and if the size was not a problem but it is noteworthy that a spell to convene an army like the one mentioned, it is tempting. :)
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: Sir_Stig am 27. Jul 2015, 17:11
Is it possible to reduce the footprint that the citadel requires? I like the spell, but I too find it very difficult to place, can it be changed to be kinda destructive as it forms, allowing you to summon it under enemy unit's?
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 27. Jul 2015, 17:13
But army summons are also not always better.
Dwarves are known for their strong buildings and for having some of the best architects.
A troup summon doesn't really show something special about the dwarves, it just gives you some units, that's all.
While Isengard is known for building a huge army within a small time (therefore they can summon a big army), the dwarves don't have the possibility to create such a huge army within seconds and are more known for mining, building some fortresses and stay there.
This is perfectly shown with the last spell.

Why remove something which shows one of the most important aspects of a faction and remove it with a generic spell which just shows one event where the faction participated in?

This spell will most likely be used very often offensive and I personally don't think that it fits for the dwarven to have so many strong offensive possibilities, while they were in truth far more defensive in the third age.
I see your point Gnomi( and thanks for replying to my threadit means a lot to me) ! But the Citadel is too big and troublesome to place sometimes!Also as I said I do not see it so fiting for the current building system!
Well it is nore mere event,it was a very important moment from the Dwarven history!not only that they won and reduced a lot the Numbers of Orcs in the montains,but alos a lot of mighty Noble DWarves died in it and the number of the Dwrves were significantly decreased after that great Battle!Not to mention is shows a rare moment of their history if not the first and last where Dwarves from all Middle _Earth and All 7 Kingdom United under the Banner of Thrain to fight for a common cause to honor and defent the memory ofth eheir of Oldest of Their Race,one who represents something like a High King of all Dwarves! :) I think the battle has a signifficant meaning and will represent one of the greartest Dwarven Hosts! :) And it will show the Might of the Dwarves! :)
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 27. Jul 2015, 17:14
Is it possible to reduce the footprint that the citadel requires? I like the spell, but I too find it very difficult to place, can it be changed to be kinda destructive as it forms, allowing you to summon it under enemy unit's?
I do not think it will feel good for Dwarves to be able to immidiatly summon a great building let alone under enemy units to do damage! :)
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: Dardrad_of_Ered_Luin am 27. Jul 2015, 18:13
I agree with LordDainIronfoot
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: CragLord am 27. Jul 2015, 18:48
Yea, you have right, casting Earthquake is weird right now. I am not for earth shaker to be unit responsible for making global earthquake. Maybe is better to implement new  global building for Dwarven faction. Some kind of Earth Hammer, similar building exist in vanila campain. Building should be unique, and without that building dwarfs shouldn't be able to cast that ultimate power, so production cost for this building shouldn't be high. Also in Erebor faction requirement for Earth Shaker production is to have this building.
Some images that could be used for base of building appearance:

Look from vanila:

 
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 27. Jul 2015, 18:49
I qute like that suggestion and the Machine looks badass! ;)
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: TiberiusOgden am 27. Jul 2015, 19:04
casting Earthquake is weird right now
Completely agree. It fits for spellcasters etc., not for Dwarves.



Look from vanila:
I really like it. Much more suitable. :)

By the way Dain - why Erebor has "Earth shakers" and rest of Dwarven kingdoms has nothing? Is it conceptual? I think that no, but honestly, I think that I've never used that unit.  xD
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: Gandalf The Gray am 27. Jul 2015, 19:07
that earth shaker idea its awesome
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 27. Jul 2015, 19:09
casting Earthquake is weird right now
Completely agree. It fits for spellcasters etc., not for Dwarves.



Look from vanila:
I really like it. Much more suitable. :)

By the way Dain - why Erebor has "Earth shakers" and rest of Dwarven kingdoms has nothing? Is it conceptual? I think that no, but honestly, I think that I've never used that unit.  xD
Well I used it only once and just to see how it looks and what it does! :D I do not mind it but other Factions need something unique and special too!It is not fair and not balanced if one has 1 Siege Unit more than the others! :)
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: Sir_Stig am 27. Jul 2015, 23:12
Is it possible to reduce the footprint that the citadel requires? I like the spell, but I too find it very difficult to place, can it be changed to be kinda destructive as it forms, allowing you to summon it under enemy unit's?
I do not think it will feel good for Dwarves to be able to immediately summon a great building let alone under enemy units to do damage! :)
I only proposed that so that it would be easier to place, currently you need to find a wide open area with no units on it, and it basically makes it only useful to defend your main camp with.
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 28. Jul 2015, 18:44
I just can't find it useful enough!And so Dwarvish!It is not like the Dwarves could make a Fortress everywhere in Middle Earth wher they wanted :D
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: Gnomi am 28. Jul 2015, 19:27
If it's not useful, then we can make it stronger. Yes, they can't make fortresses everywhere... buta lso such a big battle wasn't everywhere.
For me the building summon is a great tool to show the character of the dwarves and have a unique spell. I agree that it's a bit tricky to place, but I wouldn't delete this spell for a normal summon. I have written many reasons against it already. The only real reason against the building I've read here is "It's difficult to place and to weak".
The first one is a bit tricky to change, but I'm trying to change the maps so that there are always some palces for the fortress and for the second one... well, it would be easy to make it op. :P
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 28. Jul 2015, 19:38
Well, "such big battle wasnt everywhere"can be sai for each Spell fo that kind! But that aside I guess once more I am unable to convince you or change your mind! :) I think the thread was fun and it should be closed now!But At least consider some suggestion about the Ëarthquake Spell :) Greeting and good luck to the Team! :)
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: Gnomi am 28. Jul 2015, 19:46
Of course it can be said to every spell of that kind.:P
Just wanted to show you that your point "there wasn't everywhere such a big fortress" is not really different to that.^^ That's why I said it.
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: CragLord am 28. Jul 2015, 19:52
Well, I can say again that I am not for removing this spell from palantir. But there should be some changes. Yes, it is very annoying to find nice strategic place for Citadel, and if you could make it stronger but not op, connect it to tunnel network maybe again?
And I already reported this in Bug Section, but have freedom to say again.
I beg you to add rune effect to this Summoned Citadel like you done with Outpost/Camp/Castle Citadels. (It would be nice when Thorin casts all 4 runes to Summoned Citadel that all 4 runes be applied to Citadel's expansions (Catapults,Towers), other words to have that visual effect.)  ;)
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 28. Jul 2015, 20:00
Of course it can be said to every spell of that kind.:P
Just wanted to show you that your point "there wasn't everywhere such a big fortress" is not really different to that.^^ That's why I said it.
I see ! :) Well you can battle everywhere but you can't build a fortress everywhere :D :D Just a joke! :)
 I know when a proposal is turned down! :)
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: TiberiusOgden am 28. Jul 2015, 20:08
I know when a proposal is turned down! :)
But the second "better earthquake" proposal is on the road. ;)
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 28. Jul 2015, 20:12
Don't care som uch about it nor it needs such big discussion!Simply add some kinf of Machine and it is ready! :)
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: TiberiusOgden am 28. Jul 2015, 20:19
Ok ok ...  :D ... No problem.  xD
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: CragLord am 28. Jul 2015, 20:27
Are you going to do what I think?  :D
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: Tienety am 29. Jul 2015, 08:45
The first one is a bit tricky to change, but I'm trying to change the maps so that there are always some palces for the fortress and for the second one... well, it would be easy to make it op. :P
Yes, this is the solution, just change the maps as Osgiliath. ;)

But It is easy to place this Citadel on the maps where there is a lot of space. You can summon Citadel near enemy fortress/camp and destroy half fortress with four catapults. :D
It would be possible to place this building on more places if Citadel does not have three extensions for catapuls or towers?

Don't care som uch about it nor it needs such big discussion!Simply add some kinf of Machine and it is ready! :)
i agree, just add Earth shakers or Earth Hammer for earthquake spell. ;)
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 2. Aug 2015, 09:56
Without Catapults and Towers it wil lbe almsot completely deffensless and useless at the same time!It will loose its prupose and will be much weaker! :)
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: CragLord am 2. Aug 2015, 13:39
He just asked about possiblity of summoning without expansions, he didn't tell that citadel shouldn't have that expansion's plots. :)
I really don't understand why this summoning power became so problematic. In vanila there wasn't problem with this summoning at all (Maybe there was, but it wasn't so frequent). 
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 2. Aug 2015, 13:43
In the original EA BFME II there is no lmited Building system from BFME I which leaves much less space for "free" buildings like that!
I know he just asked!I just stated my opinon that if it can be used without the epxansions and is done that way it will be useless :)
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: CragLord am 2. Aug 2015, 14:31
Ofc, I forgot about that BFME I system, there is lot of units like in BFME II, maybe because of that. :P xD :)
Don't mind me, I am just trying to be precise here. :D It would be useless with out expansions, agree. :)
It must be hard job to rework all that maps again, in order to fix that Citadel problem...
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: CragLord am 10. Aug 2015, 23:10
Why this topic became so silent/cool...
What happend about idea of adding Earth Hammer like building in dwarven faction?
Have anyone thought about it? Or better question, is anyone (Tienety/Tiberius/LordDain) preparing something about this idea?  :D 
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 10. Aug 2015, 23:25
Well Earth Hammer is perfect for Earthquake Spell and I do not think thatnit is worth discussing something that the Team doesnt show interest about nor seems to care!After all we are not the German Forum keep that in mind! :)
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: CragLord am 10. Aug 2015, 23:30
So is your preposition to do some german translating and join to German part of forum?  :D  :D  :D We could start spamming Lord Dain! Hahahha  [uglybunti]  :D
Have they confirm somewhere that this is bad idea ( about Earth Hammer) in their eyes?
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 10. Aug 2015, 23:36
Had they shown any kind of interested towarsd almost any idea here in the Dwarven Section with the exception of few which they of course didnt like!? :D
Haha spaming is not the answer my friend!:)
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: CragLord am 10. Aug 2015, 23:46
From time to time...
That is best answer I could give on that question. :D
Maybe all of this already have been proposed on German part of forum? :D
Anyway, more antention from E.T. will be motivating thing.
P.S. Have you guys preparing something? Some new hot topic? ;) :D

Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: Gandalf The Gray am 10. Aug 2015, 23:54
about the lvl 10 spell of the dwarfs i think its a lil bit OP it almost destroy all the camps buildings guys and and only with gloin and this spell you can end kill your enemies very easy
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 10. Aug 2015, 23:59
From time to time...
That is best answer I could give on that question. :D
Maybe all of this already have been proposed on German part of forum? :D
Anyway, more antention from E.T. will be motivating thing.
P.S. Have you guys preparing something? Some new hot topic? ;) :D
The thing is that ET doesnt care so much for Dwarves well except may be Ered Luin!
The German Forum is the more important to them and the ideas and suggestions there are with much higher priority than here it is as simply as that!
I wont be starting any kind of new topics i will just be posting in existing ones from time to time especislly to deffend my and tienity ideas and any worth deffending idea but thats all!Tienity on the other hand may have some new ideas i do not knoe!But i stoped thinking of ideas for Edain long time ago :D
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: Walküre am 11. Aug 2015, 00:02
about the lvl 10 spell of the dwarfs i think its a lil bit OP it almost destroy all the camps buildings guys and and only with gloin and this spell you can end kill your enemies very easy

Well, I think this is the main purpose of a magically caused earthquake, destroying structures and disband units  [ugly]


Tienity on the other hand may have some new ideas i do not knoe!But i stoped thinking of ideas for Edain long time ago :D


Tienety created Thranduil's stances' system  8-)
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 11. Aug 2015, 05:58
I meant new ideas to start threads about!:)
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: CragLord am 16. Aug 2015, 04:05
Ok guys, I was thinking again about that earthquake power!  :o  xD
Simply there must be some mechanic activator of this spell, dwarves are not mages so they couldn't cast this spell from other place of the map, or from air to be precise. There must be some kind of device.  [uglybunti]
I had earlier some prepositions about adding new building for dwarven faction in form of Earth Hammer, but this maybe is too much. Reason why I think now so is simple, this building is not worthy of building spot, simply imagine if you are playing on camps map, and you are under siege, simply every plot is precious (in terms of valuable plots of resuorse builings and healing builings and statues...), so I come to an idea about adding some kind of upgrade for Dwarven Citadel. Upgrade will be same, Earth Hammer, but now it won't take building spot. It's cost won't be great, maybe 300-500, and it will be required for casting earthquake. This upgrade will change look of back side of Dwarven Citadel, it could be added there:
Look of Hammer upgrade will present some of variation of current vanila look of Earth Hammer:
Of course I propose removing of those poles/pillars part of builing from vanila look:
This hammer upgrade maybe don't need to be great at his size, but it's presence is required in my opinion! :)
What do you think about this? :)
Team, any kind of answer? :P
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: Gandalf The Gray am 16. Aug 2015, 05:01
i like the earth hammer without the pillars idea
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 16. Aug 2015, 08:53
It will be cool if that Earth Hammer is added to the Spell!It will be mroe reasonable and will look more like Dwarven Style using Machinery rather than that big Scale Magic! :) Lets hope that the Team will listen to that! :)
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: TiberiusOgden am 16. Aug 2015, 09:01
Earth hammer would be definitely much more better solution than massive earthquake without reason and it would be very nice cosmetic change as well.
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: Adrigabbro am 16. Aug 2015, 10:16
Very nice idea! :)
If I may give a suggestion, I just think that having to pay extra resources, no matter how much, is just not fair for a final spell. Perhaps that upgrade you're talking about could simply appear after unlocking the spell.
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: Tienety am 16. Aug 2015, 10:19
This is strange. So We will have Earth Hammer in own fortress but Hammer makes earthquakes on the other side of the map. :o
I think that it is better to summon this Earth Hammer in earthquakes spell. He will make earthquakes around him and disappears.
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 16. Aug 2015, 10:22
I agree with TIenity!It is simply not logical to ahve such device and there is no way that it can do such damage from your fortress! :) I like the idea of Earth Hammer in the Spell but no the part with the Fortress! :) It shold simply appear make the Earthqueke and dissappear! :)
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: CragLord am 16. Aug 2015, 13:23
Agree, this definitely polished this idea, reasonable thinking, thank you. :)


Yes this is strange, I admit, but it isn't impossible. I will try to explain you from
physical aspect.
An earthquake is what happens when two blocks of the earth suddenly slip past one another. The surface where they slip is called the fault or fault plane. The location below the earth’s surface where the earthquake starts is called the hypocenter, and the location directly above it on the surface of the earth is called the epicenter.
Point is that you can (theoretically) with those smaller vibrations from your base to cause that movement of earth blocks, so you can induce earthquake at some locations.
Other words, when earth hammer falls at main base, it delivers a lot of energy to the ground, that energy is absorb by ground, but there is induction of vibrations (waves). When those vibrations come to unstable place, they induce that "slip" and earthquake starts at that "unstable" location in ground. Point is that I tried to explain idea, it is possible theoretically, but catch is that in real time could be only possible to induce on unstable ground, on ground where exists possibility for earthquake. In game is idea to induce earthquake on every point on map, that is only problem. We could blind on eye and tell, that are dwarves, they as Durin's folk (stone masters), they know how to overcome that problem. :)
So it is possible (theoretically!), I know it sounds strange, I tried to explain idea in  general.
Well, that is not bad idea. Tiberius had some similar idea with earth shaker. Main reason why I think it is bad is because of graphic. Imagine you selected epicenter for earthquake power to enemy citadel position. There will be some kind of graphic overlap between Earth hammer and enemy building. That is reason I think this isn't good idea. :) I think it is very reasonable, there is of course greater chance to induce earthquake this way, but that graphic overlap is something which concerns me.

I tried to explain why I think this is bad idea about summoning hammer on place of earthquake, I don't say it is bad in general, only that graphic overlap is something very bad. :)
And logic of my idea, I explained above. :) :P
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: TiberiusOgden am 16. Aug 2015, 19:11
It shold simply appear make the Earthqueke and dissappear! :)
Exactly. xD
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: CragLord am 16. Aug 2015, 19:59
Overlap??? C'Mon! xD :D
Titel: Re: New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 20. Aug 2015, 06:18
Well it can be made thay so the Earth Hammer will apear outside the Spell circle sso that way when placed over buildings it will not overlap!He wi create an Earthquake and thats it ! :-)