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Titel: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 28. Okt 2015, 12:25

Hello mates! :) Hope you all are good!? :)

Now with the most recent Updates Edain Team made Iron Hills really unique and strong Dwarven Realm as it should be! :) But there is a small problem on which as I see on ModDB other Fans agree with me and that is that Iron Hills was left with really small Hero Rooster of 4 Heroes(being Dain,Thorin III,Murin and Drar) although all awesome and firce figters and Heroes I can't help but feel Iron Hills is at big dissadvantage in that part! :)

Now the New IHs Scout/Cavalry Units is simply briliant so there is no way we could want to  lose that for another Hero,plus I feel the Ram Scouts/Cavalry are very unque Scout System which shouldn't be lost! :)

And I think adding 2-3 other non canon Heroes is not so good idea on which neither Team nor Fans,nor even I would like or agree or it is not even neccessery! I think that 1 more Hero should be enough to have 5 Good and Well Versed Heroes! :)

While I really like the new and original idea about Ered Mithrin Outpost and the fact that those Dwarves and tough and strong willed Veterans who do not need a Leader and every one of them is like Hero on his own rights ,i do see a place for a Hero for IHs there BUT not an Ered Mithrin Hero or Leader but rather something else! :)

In the Hobbit Book there is a mentioning of Dwarven Messanger of Dain with few of his fellow Soldiers! :)

Zitat

Trumpets called men and elves to arms. Before long the dwarves could be seen ing up the valley at a great pace. They halted between the river and the eastern spur; but a few held on their way, and crossing the river drew he camp; and there they laid down their ons and held up their hands in sign of peace. Bard went out to meet them, and with him went Bilbo.

“We are sent from Dain son of Nain,” they said wheioned. “We are hastening to our kinsmen in the Mountain, since we learn that the kingdom of old is renewed. But who are you that sit in the plain as foes before defended walls?” This, of course, in the polite and rather old-fashioned language of such occasions, meant simply: “You have no business here. We are going on, so make way or we shall fight you!” They meant to push oween the Mountain and the loop of the river; for the narrow land there did not seem to be strongly guarded.

Bard, of course, refused to allow the dwarves to ght on to the Mountain. He was determio wait until the gold and silver had been brought out in exge for the Arkenstone; for he did not believe that this would be done, if ohe fortress was manned with se and warlike a pany. They had brought with them a great store of supplies; for the dwarves  carry very heavy burdens, and nearly all of Dain’s folk, in spite of their rapid march, bore huge packs on their backs in addition to their ons. They would stand a siege for weeks, and by that time yet more dwarves might e, a more, for Thorin had maives. Also they would be able to reopen and guard some ate, so that the besiegers would have to encircle the whole mountain; and for that they had not suffit numbers.

The Hobbit Chapter 17

And we had based on him our Previous Idea about IHs Scout and called him Narin but with the Ram Scouts he is no longer needed so we can sue him here,the name of course can be changes as everything in this concept! :)

Now Narin can be the Messanger that Dain send to Ered Mithrin to ask for Aid or just to join Dain in some upcoming Battle! :) This way Narin will not be Ered Mithrin Hero but an IHs One an eh can be recruited from the Outpost as Messanger of Dain who has come back with the Reainforcments from Ered Mithrin! :)

He can have one of the following Designs...

(http://i.imgur.com/dJP96rt.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/tkDzIIl.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/d14qA3K.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/TdrUkQN.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/X5VJSoD.jpg)

I suggest that he should use some Two Handed Weapon since currently none of IHs Heroes use one and will make unique among them! :)
Here are few Weapons I think will be good...

(http://i.imgur.com/EQzjoCh.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/YcOGoqC.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/JRdYc8J.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/p5aLSUc.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/5gUVMS4.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/MRMdoUs.png)

Now for his Abilities! :)

LV 1 - Messanger of the Iron Hills/Dain (Passive Ability)
"Narin get's 25% Speed Boost hurrying to deliver Dain's Message"

LV 5 - Narin's Company
"Narins Summons briefly for 20-30 Seconds 4 of his Companions to help him fight his way and deliver the Message"

LV 10 - "Threat for War"
"Narin threatens all foes before him who try to stop him from reaching his Goal.(Enemies near Narin get Fear Effect and lose 15-20% DMG for 20-30 Seconds)"

Now the Abilites are not so good I admit but I couldn't come up with anything better for now!  [uglybunti]
So all feedback and ideas about Narin in any way Design,Abilities and etc. are most Welcome!Lets have a great discussion and decide the future of IHs,should they get or not 1 New Hero and if yes let's choose a worthy one to be that Hero! :)

Greetings and best Regards!Have a great Day Edain Companions! :)

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Gandalf The Gray am 28. Okt 2015, 12:43

 i like all of them but the one with the cowl i like more xD

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Adrigabbro am 28. Okt 2015, 12:55

Sorry to be the boring guy, but I still think Iron Hills don't need one additional hero, as I have already stated on moddb.
Briefly, here's why: We don't know much about Iron Hills and therefore that's why I think of this faction as a strong and united army with no leader but Dain (and his son Thorin III).
I don't think Iron Hills will suffer that much having 4 heroes, as they'll get three strong cavalry units, a catapult with global range and (I guess) better units on the outpost, for dwarves are stronger than men of Dale/Laketown. Please don't skip that part: tell me why do you think I'm wrong.

Last but not least, I'd rather have current heroes improved before a new one. Drar and Murin (especially Drar) could use, IMO, some rework ; Thorin III still has the same abilities with Iron Hills and with Erebor and Lord Dain is only pictured inthe mod as a unit supporter even though he's known as a great fighter.
Not to mention that I don't really like the idea of this Narin nor his connection with the Grey mountains, but that's personal taste, not an argument.

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Fredius am 28. Okt 2015, 13:01

The cavalry functions as scout units, therefore I can't see them being equal to heroes. The catapult can only be used IF you are able to win over an outpost, but still we have to see for ourselves first how strong the catapult and ram riders are; only then we can judge ;).

Ofcourse, I agree that the other heroes should be buffed a bit more, but right now heroes are army killers, if used correctly, and the amount of heroes Ered Luin has gives them a distinct advantage over the Iron Hills. Adding only 1 more hero should balance the game I think.

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Adrigabbro am 28. Okt 2015, 13:07

If Ram Riders are about as strong as Rohan captains, then three of them is worth one hero. ^^ Still, you're right about that let's wait and see.

EDIT: Brand/Bard can also only be used if you manage to get an outpost. Just like the catapult.

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 28. Okt 2015, 13:13

Zitat von: Adrigabbro am 28. Okt 2015, 12:55

Sorry to be the boring guy, but I still think Iron Hills don't need one additional hero, as I have already stated on moddb.
Briefly, here's why: We don't know much about Iron Hills and therefore that's why I think of this faction as a strong and united army with no leader but Dain (and his son Thorin III).
I don't think Iron Hills will suffer that much having 4 heroes, as they'll get three strong cavalry units, a catapult with global range and (I guess) better units on the outpost, for dwarves are stronger than men of Dale/Laketown. Please don't skip that part: tell me why do you think I'm wrong.

Last but not least, I'd rather have current heroes improved before a new one. Drar and Murin (especially Drar) could use, IMO, some rework ; Thorin III still has the same abilities with Iron Hills and with Erebor and Lord Dain is only pictured inthe mod as a unit supporter even though he's known as a great fighter.
Not to mention that I don't really like the idea of this Narin nor his connection with the Grey mountains, but that's personal taste, not an argument.

First of all mate,having a different opinion on something doesn't make you "the boring guy" ! ;) You ahve your opinion and I respect that! :)

Now you see Ram Scouts/Cavalry are not Hero wit the same Logic we do not need Imrahil since we have 3 Elite Battalions of Knights of Dol Amroth or similar is the Case with Mordor Riders! :)

I have suggested a smal visual res kin fro Murin,Drar and Thorin III in the past and the Team sai they will think about it so yeah that is done to a degree! :) I too agree that Dain is one of the best Warrior of the Dwrven Race and Middle Earth like whole and need some boost thats why I made a Thread about him Geting a little Boost which you can see in the Dwarven Section and support it if you want! :)

We do not know the strengtht of Ered Mithrin Dwarves but I think the Team mentioned they are as strong as andy Soliders there but with some small Boosts against Monsters so I think they will not be so much stronger than Dale/Lake Town Soldiers for Balacne Reasons may be jsut higher health! :)

Narin is based on Actual Dwarf from the Books and is from Iron Hills we only gave him a name and Abilities so I think he fits perfect as Messanger as in the Books and is really lore friendly! :)

He has not Connection with Ered Mithrin he is not Ered Mithrin Hero he is just Messanger send to Ered Mithrin to deliver Mesaage and brign Reinfrocments thats why he is on the Outppost!! :) Plus no one said that the hero should be done for the next release or soon as possible!The current Heroes are priority and Narin can be created i nthe future when the Team has the time to do it and the wil of course,no on said it do it now! :)

And as Fredius said we can't judge before we see and try !But indeed the Catapult will have limited Role he can't be compared with well versed and moveable Hero at least in my eyes! :) And indeed Ered Luin having twice as Much Heroes than IHs is not very balanced and 1 more IHs Hero will do some justice and will not Ruin the Balance I think!
Cuz try to fight all Ered Luin Heroes with Army against IHs Heroes with Army I think it is not so fair! :)

Thank you for the feedback! :)

Greetings! :)

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Adrigabbro am 28. Okt 2015, 13:25

Zitat von: LordDainIronfoot am 28. Okt 2015, 13:13

Now you see Ram Scouts/Cavalry are not Hero wit the same Logic we do not need Imrahil since we have 3 Elite Battalions of Knights of Dol Amroth or similar is the Case with Mordor Riders! :)

What? I don't understand how it is "the same logic". On the one hand there are three dwarven SUBfactions that need to be balanced : on the other hand you're talking about an entire faction. I mean why would having three battalions of knights of Dol Amroth deny the right to have Imrahil? Nothing in common, sorry but that's non sense.  xD

About your other arguments, I'll just stick to "wait and see" and "personal taste". Guess you can't see my ponit and I can't see yours. ^^


EDIT: To make things clear, I'm not a hater of the idea of one more hero. If you manage to give the team an interesting idea, I'll be as glad as you. I'm just satisfied as it is now (or rather as it's gonna be in 4.2) and I haven't found a cool idea yet.

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: ThorinIIoakenshield am 28. Okt 2015, 14:14

I will say it again in this forum,iron hills can get a narin which is a captain of dain's elite units.he wil have captain iron hills armour http://media.moddb.com/cache/images/members/1/762/761504/thumb_620x2000/Iron_Hills_Captain_Armor.png and his abilities wil be leadership L1,L4  he summons 2 movie design elite troops permanent...L6 ram charge an L10 he summons a battalion of elite movie design with a dwarven chariot as shown in extended scenes

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 28. Okt 2015, 14:25

Zitat von: Adrigabbro am 28. Okt 2015, 13:25

Zitat von: LordDainIronfoot am 28. Okt 2015, 13:13

Now you see Ram Scouts/Cavalry are not Hero wit the same Logic we do not need Imrahil since we have 3 Elite Battalions of Knights of Dol Amroth or similar is the Case with Mordor Riders! :)

What? I don't understand how it is "the same logic". On the one hand there are three dwarven SUBfactions that need to be balanced : on the other hand you're talking about an entire faction. I mean why would having three battalions of knights of Dol Amroth deny the right to have Imrahil? Nothing in common, sorry but that's non sense.  xD

About your other arguments, I'll just stick to "wait and see" and "personal taste". Guess you can't see my ponit and I can't see yours. ^^


EDIT: To make things clear, I'm not a hater of the idea of one more hero. If you manage to give the team an interesting idea, I'll be as glad as you. I'm just satisfied as it is now (or rather as it's gonna be in 4.2) and I haven't found a cool idea yet.

Caling a nonsense something you can't understand is rude at the least! :) But that aside!What I mean is tha you say we have 3 Cavalry Units so we do not need a Hero,and I gave example how we have 3 Knights of Dol Amroth Cavalry and yet we have a Hero ! :)Same can be said about Imladris and Glorfindel with his Riders! :) now you get what I mean mate!? :) 

Isengard can be a prime example how when a faction lack Heroes we can get inspiration fro mthe Movie Non Canon Heroes or some less important Heroes or People from the Book to fill the gap that is left! :) I love Isengard ,so my point is that when we have good Lore Base and yet we lack main and famous Heroes we can use that Base and build on it! :)

I guess it will all depend on the strenght of the ram Riders but as I said i think IHs needs one more Hero!

It is fine if you do not like the Narin idea,it is your right and opinion about that ! :)
But as I have said Narin is based on a Dwarf from Iron Hills in the Book so   I think he is much more lore friendly than Murin and Drar even and he can have a place in Edain! :)

Zitat von: ThorinIIoakenshield am 28. Okt 2015, 14:14

I will say it again in this forum,iron hills can get a narin which is a captain of dain's elite units.he wil have captain iron hills armour http://media.moddb.com/cache/images/members/1/762/761504/thumb_620x2000/Iron_Hills_Captain_Armor.png and his abilities wil be leadership L1,L4  he summons 2 movie design elite troops permanent...L6 ram charge an L10 he summons a battalion of elite movie design with a dwarven chariot as shown in extended scenes

Hte idea is interesting but let's leave it aside,,we all have left behind the Movie Models ideas after long disucssions and fights aroun MU about them!So do not get me wrong I am one of the bigest fan of those Models,BUT let's not turn this Thread into another Edain Models VS Movie Models pointless fight!!That is behind us and lets not start again with that ! :)

Sorry if I sound rude! :) Greetings to all! :)

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: ThorinIIoakenshield am 28. Okt 2015, 15:39

Thanks dain,I think that it is very selfish of the ET to make a special map ability so that tauriel is perminant although they were against it,though the ET does not like the movie design they show some great respect to their fans not to even try something to show their thanks to our support...just telling us that THEY don't like it and will not implement it in the mod is some respect don't you think!I think it is ridiculous for us to support them the way we do if they are not even willing to please the community with a compromise to implement thise movie design.dwarves are tough and fierce not cute and cuddly as they are now...Your name is dain ironfoot you should now that we don't stand back from a fight and that if you at first don't succeed...try again all I am trying to say is that we support the edain team a lot,we help them fight mods that stole their ideas but they won't even do something for their community as little as to add a movie design to show their greatfullness towards their fans

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 28. Okt 2015, 16:03

Well I see your point mate! :) There was time in the past that I felt quite angry with the Team and disapointed too! :) And While you do have a point let's not forget that till Yeasterday they said they will not use Ram Riders too and now we have those Awesome Scout Units,so my point is that even at one point in time something is not possible it doesnt mean in future it will be so too! :) Lets jsut have hope and belive into the Team which gave this awesome exprience of the Tolkien Universe trough such Old and Not so well done Game which they turned inot masterpiece with their own hands! :)

They use Ered Mithrin idea which was primary Fan based idea,same goes for ram Scout/Cavalry it was another fan based idea and many other things! So yes,we may not alwasy get what we want when we want,but we never know when we can be pleasently surprised and we do not know what the future holds! :) Lets belive in the Team and their decision and show respect to all the hord work they ahve done for free for us ordinary fans with no Modding Skills! :)

Do not get me worng I udnerstand your feelings but just do not let them cloud your judgment and be objective! :) And lets give our best into creating a worthy of Edain Iron Hills Hero which the Team can't deny but use it! :D

Continue to give your support and will be rwarded may be nor right here and right now but all good in time! ;)

I hope you understand me correctly! :)

Best reagards mate ahnd yes "We never flee from a fight!..." that's why I will cotninue with my support towards the Team and my favourite Faction the Iron HIlls! :)

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Melkor Bauglir am 28. Okt 2015, 16:51

Hmm, all in all I have to agree with Adrigabbro.
I would probably liked your idea more, LordDainIronfoot, if the "missing" hero wasn't a scout, but a full fleded out hero! This is actually a crucial point: IH don't really loose combat power by having one less hero!
It is indeed a little unfortunate, that IH is both the dwarven faction which has no outpost hero AND no scout, decreasing their numbers of heroes quite a bit. (If it wasn't for this annoying lore we should have probably switched either Ered Mithrin or the RRs. I blame the government! xD) I personally think that they do have a more than sufficiant substitution for this lack of heroes, not only by having cavalry, but also a global nuclear strike ([uglybunti]) and a berserker unit -which is already kind of a mini-hero.

Greetings
Melkor Bauglir

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Gnomi am 28. Okt 2015, 17:40

Zitat

think that it is very selfish of the ET to make a special map ability so that tauriel is perminant although they were against it

Actually i's not selfish at all. Even though most people agreed that a summon is the better possibility, there are many fans who'ld like to play Tauriel as a permanent hero.
Therefore this is a solution to fulfill everybody's wishes:
Normally Tauriel is a summon, but on one (!) map she's permanent. So people who really like to play her permanently can play her forever.

Zitat

I think it is ridiculous for us to support them the way we do if they are not even willing to please the community with a compromise to implement thise movie design.

We are doing compromises again and again. Saying that we don't integrate movie material is nonsense - there is only a handful of designs we haven't used in the mod yet. I think the ratio should be higher than 10:1 if you compare used movie designs to unused movie designs. :)
Additionally it's always easy for you to "want" something - you don't have to do it. Everything we do requires work and isn't just made within seconds. And as this is a hobby of us, the most important thing is to have fun and not to be forced to do things all the time. :)

Zitat

Your name is dain ironfoot you should now that we don't stand back from a fight and that if you at first don't succeed

Yes, but it's not always good to never change your point of view. Even dwarves changed their point of view when they noticed that there are reasons for it - Dain stopped fighting the elves, because he had to fight against the orcs, Gimli became friends with Legolas and said that Galadriel is the fairest of all beings. Being a dwarf doesn't mean that you can't agree with people who have a different opinion or change your own! :)

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: ThorinIIoakenshield am 28. Okt 2015, 17:52

I know there are a lot of fans that desire the iron hills armour probably more so then desired tauriel as permanent yet you dit not help them.my point is fans does not matter to you one of the ET members said that they dont care if they have 10 fans or 50 000 they just want to have fun

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: ThorinsNemesis am 28. Okt 2015, 18:00

^^I also like really much the Iron Hills movie armor. And yes, I would love to see them, and Smaug's movie design implement in the mod.
However, I agree with Gnomi - they have included almost all movie designs; and I am most happy to see that we will be able to play with Tauriel as permanent hero in the mod in a way  ;).  I am grateful for all the work the Team has done, but I understand that this is a hobby for them, so I don't demand anything; I'm fine with some movie designs not being in the mod, this doesn't change that this is an amazing mod.
So personally I will keep supporting Edain, as it's really one of the greatest mods for this game, and the lack of movie Iron Hills dwarves won't change this  :)

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Fredius am 28. Okt 2015, 18:11

ThorinIIIOakenshield, first of all I can say that I am a fan of the movie designs as much as you are, perhaps even more. I'm such a great fan that I have some big plans for them in this mod, but right now I will stay quiet about it, because it's still too early to say anything in public.

However, I already saw your comment on ModdB, and I find it very disrespectful that you said that the team is doing nothing for the community; they already showed us that they did plenty of things for us. You can find examples of that in the ModdB section, so I will not repeat that. You are trying to get those movie models by force, but that won't even help a bit, and it might even have the opposite effect of what we desire: because of your insults to the team, they might even stop considering to put movie models into the mod, and not allow any other fan to do it themselves; as a punishment for being disrespectful to them.

So please I'm asking you for the sake of those awesome movie designs; just wait. The mod is far from finished, and there are always other ways to get the movie designs into the game ;).

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Gandalf The Gray am 28. Okt 2015, 18:37

i think it would be better if the new hero is  a goat rider too and gas a leadership for them and some skills that can boost them they are 3 units with ram riders so they have to make a difference

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Fredius am 28. Okt 2015, 18:55

That's a pretty nice idea, but you must consider that the Ram Riders right now are already a hero unit with their own abilities and leaderships. Buffing them up even more would be a bit too much I think. Furthermore, we already have a hero who can fight both mounted and on foot: Dain.

I would suggest a pike-hero, or a hero with a two-handed weapon, because that's what we are lacking right now. The proposal of KingDain is excellent to me.

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Gandalf The Gray am 28. Okt 2015, 19:13

i didnt know they have buffs and leaderships so just make a ram rider hero with i dont know unique looking goat with one skill that will work somehow for the ram riders i dont know something like a charge skill of theoden

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Fredius am 28. Okt 2015, 19:21

Wait sorry, scrap that part of what I said about leadership, they don't have that [ugly]. They only got some buffs in the form of upgrades and extended visibility, and can call a battalion of Ram Riders to their aid. But still I'm not fond of a hero who can buff up Ram Riders even more.

However, since we are talking about a messenger of Dain, the hero needs to be swift, so a mount would be actually a good option. How about a swift Ram Rider with toggle between bow and mattock? Or is that a bit too much xD?

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Gandalf The Gray am 28. Okt 2015, 19:59

better a crossbow

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 28. Okt 2015, 20:04

I ahve to disargee there with you mates! :)

Giving IHs a Hero who can Toggle between Range and Close Fight is not Balacned comapred to the Other 2 Kingdoms even if t sounds cool! :) IHs have Ranged Hero as every other Dwarven Kingdom so they need a Normal Close DMG Hero but as I said with Two Handed Weapon! :)

Narin getting a Ram is not a good idea either!Ram Riders are Semi Heroes so yo uahve that in a way and plus it will take the Uniquenes of Dain being the only dwarven hero as a Lord who has a Mount!!So adding another Mount Dwarven Hero and fans will want that for other heroes too which wilruin the balance and will make the Dwarves to unrealistic knowing that Ridings i not their Speciality!!

I think the Ram Riders are well eoughfor Dwarf Riders :)

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Fredius am 28. Okt 2015, 20:26

Allright you got a point in that Dain, I agree. I've looked through your design-proposals, and with the armor shown on those pictures we can make Narin a stealthy messenger with great damage (because of the mattock) but poor armor. This is also something unique within the IH right? Tell me what you think.

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Gandalf The Gray am 28. Okt 2015, 20:28

what if fili and kili had a goat to ride on ??? i know off topic xD

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 28. Okt 2015, 20:34

Zitat von: Fredius am 28. Okt 2015, 20:26

Allright you got a point in that Dain, I agree. I've looked through your design-proposals, and with the armor shown on those pictures we can make Narin a stealthy messenger with great damage (because of the mattock) but poor armor. This is also something unique within the IH right? Tell me what you think.

I am glad you agee! :) Stelthy Dwarf sounds interesting he may be stealthy when he is not Moving,similar to camping and hiding and stuff! :) The Good DMG with Weak Armor souns good and logical for a Fast not HEavy Armored Messanger indeed and it will be something new in the Hero Weapons of IHs ! :)

Zitat von: Gandalf The Gray am 28. Okt 2015, 20:28

what if fili and kili had a goat to ride on ??? i know off topic xD

Welll in that Case Thorin II too should get a Ram :D Nah man it will become way to many Dwarf Riders althoug it does sounds like a Fun to ahve Temporarly :D

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Fredius am 28. Okt 2015, 20:41

Zitat von: LordDainIronfoot am 28. Okt 2015, 20:34

I am glad you agee! :) Stelthy Dwarf sounds interesting he may be stealthy when he is not Moving,similar to camping and hiding and stuff! :) The Good DMG with Weak Armor souns good and logical for a Fast not HEavy Armored Messanger indeed and it will be something new in the Hero Weapons of IHs ! :)

Yes that's exactly what I meant.

Zitat von: Gandalf The Gray am 28. Okt 2015, 20:28

what if fili and kili had a goat to ride on ??? i know off topic xD

I believe there was a discussion in the German (or English I don't remember) forums where someone suggested to give every hero a horse or in this case a ram, because they all showed at some point in the movies that they are able to do that.

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 28. Okt 2015, 20:49

Giving every Hero a mOunt will ruin the Game Expirience to me!Cuz we will lose good Ablilites then and after all not Every Hero needs a Mount! :)
But that is different story I suggest end discussing it here! :)

And I think we should talk about Narin Abilities too,they are quite not good so we should thing of better ones! :)

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Fredius am 28. Okt 2015, 21:00

Since he is a messenger, I suggest we give him an ability called "Diplomatic Immunity". Diplomats/messengers are not allowed to be killed, because they are only there to carry a message. The Mouth of Sauron, for example, went to Erebor even though he is the enemy, but because he is just a messenger, he was not killed. I think the same ability can be applied for Narin, for a little while he can go inside the enemy base without being attacked, but he himself can not attack enemies. It's similiar to Sauron's Annathar ability.

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Aule the creator am 28. Okt 2015, 21:22

Zitat von: LordDainIronfoot am 28. Okt 2015, 12:25

Hello mates! :) Hope you all are good!? :)

Now with the most recent Updates Edain Team made Iron Hills really unique and strong Dwarven Realm as it should be! :) But there is a small problem on which as I see on ModDB other Fans agree with me and that is that Iron Hills was left with really small Hero Rooster of 4 Heroes(being Dain,Thorin III,Murin and Drar) although all awesome and firce figters and Heroes I can't help but feel Iron Hills is at big dissadvantage in that part! :)

Now the New IHs Scout/Cavalry Units is simply briliant so there is no way we could want to  lose that for another Hero,plus I feel the Ram Scouts/Cavalry are very unque Scout System which shouldn't be lost! :)

And I think adding 2-3 other non canon Heroes is not so good idea on which neither Team nor Fans,nor even I would like or agree or it is not even neccessery! I think that 1 more Hero should be enough to have 5 Good and Well Versed Heroes! :)

While I really like the new and original idea about Ered Mithrin Outpost and the fact that those Dwarves and tough and strong willed Veterans who do not need a Leader and every one of them is like Hero on his own rights ,i do see a place for a Hero for IHs there BUT not an Ered Mithrin Hero or Leader but rather something else! :)

In the Hobbit Book there is a mentioning of Dwarven Messanger of Dain with few of his fellow Soldiers! :)

Zitat

Trumpets called men and elves to arms. Before long the dwarves could be seen ing up the valley at a great pace. They halted between the river and the eastern spur; but a few held on their way, and crossing the river drew he camp; and there they laid down their ons and held up their hands in sign of peace. Bard went out to meet them, and with him went Bilbo.

“We are sent from Dain son of Nain,” they said wheioned. “We are hastening to our kinsmen in the Mountain, since we learn that the kingdom of old is renewed. But who are you that sit in the plain as foes before defended walls?” This, of course, in the polite and rather old-fashioned language of such occasions, meant simply: “You have no business here. We are going on, so make way or we shall fight you!” They meant to push oween the Mountain and the loop of the river; for the narrow land there did not seem to be strongly guarded.

Bard, of course, refused to allow the dwarves to ght on to the Mountain. He was determio wait until the gold and silver had been brought out in exge for the Arkenstone; for he did not believe that this would be done, if ohe fortress was manned with se and warlike a pany. They had brought with them a great store of supplies; for the dwarves  carry very heavy burdens, and nearly all of Dain’s folk, in spite of their rapid march, bore huge packs on their backs in addition to their ons. They would stand a siege for weeks, and by that time yet more dwarves might e, a more, for Thorin had maives. Also they would be able to reopen and guard some ate, so that the besiegers would have to encircle the whole mountain; and for that they had not suffit numbers.

The Hobbit Chapter 17

And we had based on him our Previous Idea about IHs Scout and called him Narin but with the Ram Scouts he is no longer needed so we can sue him here,the name of course can be changes as everything in this concept! :)

Now Narin can be the Messanger that Dain send to Ered Mithrin to ask for Aid or just to join Dain in some upcoming Battle! :) This way Narin will not be Ered Mithrin Hero but an IHs One an eh can be recruited from the Outpost as Messanger of Dain who has come back with the Reainforcments from Ered Mithrin! :)

He can have one of the following Designs...

(http://i.imgur.com/dJP96rt.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/tkDzIIl.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/d14qA3K.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/TdrUkQN.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/X5VJSoD.jpg)

I suggest that he should use some Two Handed Weapon since currently none of IHs Heroes use one and will make unique among them! :)
Here are few Weapons I think will be good...

(http://i.imgur.com/EQzjoCh.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/YcOGoqC.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/JRdYc8J.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/p5aLSUc.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/5gUVMS4.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/MRMdoUs.png)

Now for his Abilities! :)

LV 1 - Messanger of the Iron Hills/Dain (Passive Ability)
"Narin get's 25% Speed Boost hurrying to deliver Dain's Message"

LV 5 - Narin's Company
"Narins Summons briefly for 20-30 Seconds 4 of his Companions to help him fight his way and deliver the Message"

LV 10 - "Threat for War"
"Narin threatens all foes before him who try to stop him from reaching his Goal.(Enemies near Narin get Fear Effect and lose 15-20% DMG for 20-30 Seconds)"

Now the Abilites are not so good I admit but I couldn't come up with anything better for now!  [uglybunti]
So all feedback and ideas about Narin in any way Design,Abilities and etc. are most Welcome!Lets have a great discussion and decide the future of IHs,should they get or not 1 New Hero and if yes let's choose a worthy one to be that Hero! :)

Greetings and best Regards!Have a great Day Edain Companions! :)

dain some of these images would really be nice for those six heroes like gror, nain, fror, nar. thrain ll and thror can have image of movie  (**)

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 28. Okt 2015, 21:39

Zitat von: Fredius am 28. Okt 2015, 21:00

Since he is a messenger, I suggest we give him an ability called "Diplomatic Immunity". Diplomats/messengers are not allowed to be killed, because they are only there to carry a message. The Mouth of Sauron, for example, went to Erebor even though he is the enemy, but because he is just a messenger, he was not killed. I think the same ability can be applied for Narin, for a little while he can go inside the enemy base without being attacked, but he himself can not attack enemies. It's similiar to Sauron's Annathar ability.

Sounds really interesting and Unique for Edain! :) And it wil lbe cool to use in Game! Should it be his LV 1 Ability!? :)

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Fredius am 28. Okt 2015, 22:09

Level 1 is too early I think, because if Narin is in danger and low on health, he can escape the battle by using this ability, and go to safer places. Not to mention the fact that it's an excellent spying ability. I believe level 5 would be best. A level 1 ability can be called "Traveling to other Lands" which increases the speed of Narin. As a messenger he probably travels to other kingdoms and states within Middle-Earth, so I think a fast-traveling ability would fit very will with him.

Btw Dain, if many people agree with someones idea, can you put that idea in the first post, so an easy summary can be found? The team will probably read that sooner than 10 pages of discussion :P.

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 28. Okt 2015, 23:25

Agree!I think LV 5 will be the best Option! :-)
Your LV 1 idea is goos too and is similar to mine! :-) Have you seen my Ability suggestions about Narin!? :-)

Of course I will summarize ideas on the first Post but for now it seems the discussion is only between me and you! XD  [uglybunti]

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Fredius am 29. Okt 2015, 00:20

Whoops I probably missed the part about abilities! It seems we were thinking of the same level 1 ability my friend :D. You wrote about that summoning 4 companions ability, but who does he summon may I aks :)?

And you got a point, I hope there will be more people discussing here.

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 29. Okt 2015, 00:33

Haha no problem mate!!I may have made a mistake by making it as Spoiler  [uglybunti]
Well he is Mentioned to have had few other Dwarves with him judging by the Quote from the Book and after we choose a Design for him,we can use 2-3 of the other Designs left for representing his Companions who are with him for Protection to make sure he will Deliver the Message!?What you think about that!? :-)

Well as it goes for now we might actually be better to discuss via PM than spamming on the Forum!  [uglybunti]

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Gandalf The Gray am 29. Okt 2015, 00:49

i dont think its a spam i suggest you to go on with the Conversation you have some awesome ideas

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Fredius am 29. Okt 2015, 00:55

Now that is certainly a great idea, I fully support that. Perhaps they could be like creeps who wander around Narin, I though Thorin had a similiar ability with Fili and Kili.

Like Gandalf said, this is a great discussion and I believe it's best that everyone can read this. Ofcourse Gandalf if you have anymore ideas then please share them.

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Gandalf The Gray am 29. Okt 2015, 01:16

well thorin had a brother named Frerin he can be the scout hero but i think he died at the batlle Battle of Azanulbizar well

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 29. Okt 2015, 02:24

Zitat von: Fredius am 29. Okt 2015, 00:55

Now that is certainly a great idea, I fully support that. Perhaps they could be like creeps who wander around Narin, I though Thorin had a similiar ability with Fili and Kili.

Like Gandalf said, this is a great discussion and I believe it's best that everyone can read this. Ofcourse Gandalf if you have anymore ideas then please share them.

I am happy you like it!It can be his  LV 10 Ability to summon 3 Companions briefly for 20 Seconds which will be bind to him and move with him and atack Enemies in their vicinity! :-)

Zitat von: Gandalf The Gray am 29. Okt 2015, 01:16

well thorin had a brother named Frerin he can be the scout hero but i think he died at the batlle Battle of Azanulbizar well

Yup he had a Brother who died at the Battle of Azanulbizar but we are not talking about Scout hero and either way Frerin would not fit the Iron Hills my friend!:)

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Gandalf The Gray am 29. Okt 2015, 02:30

yep you have a point
 but they are cousins  xD

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Ealendril der Dunkle am 29. Okt 2015, 12:06

Firstly: Its a nice idea to include the messenger from the books as a new hero or mini-hero. What about giving this hero a dwarven expression in khuzdul instead of a name? I am agree, that the iron hills should have another heroand the pictures are really interesting.
It would be better if you work on to give this hero some uniquenes or something like a special role. Personally i think the iron hills need a hero-killer. ThorinIII is something between a tank and hero-supporter with only on damage-ability.

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 29. Okt 2015, 12:16

Firstly,I am glad to see you are interested in the idea and like it! :) We did our best!! :)

I will try and think of a proper Expression which might suit him! :)

I like the idea of making him a Hero Killer but doesnt that going to need like more Heavy Armored look!? :)

P.S. Regarding the New Concept Art for Thorin III may be he can get somewhat new Ablities to make him better as hero Killer or he will Remain a mix of Tank and Hero-Supporter!? :)
Or we can make Thorin III Tank and Hero Killer and leave "Narin"as a Hero Supporter being a Messanger of Dain and all!? :)

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Gandalf The Gray am 29. Okt 2015, 16:05

i would like to see the new heroes name in khuzdul

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Fredius am 29. Okt 2015, 16:56

I think that we should expand on Narin as soon as the role of Thorin III is clear, like Dain stated. I agree with you that he should get the role of Hero killer/Tank, because he looks like that in he fits that role in the concept. So with that, Narin can indeed become a support hero, but perhaps with some extras on him ;)?

And I'm not so fluent in Khuzdul so I'll leave that part to you guys :D.

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 29. Okt 2015, 18:32

Zitat von: Ealendril am 29. Okt 2015, 12:06

Firstly: Its a nice idea to include the messenger from the books as a new hero or mini-hero. What about giving this hero a dwarven expression in khuzdul instead of a name? I am agree, that the iron hills should have another heroand the pictures are really interesting.
It would be better if you work on to give this hero some uniquenes or something like a special role. Personally i think the iron hills need a hero-killer. ThorinIII is something between a tank and hero-supporter with only on damage-ability.

So may be I ahve a suggestion! :) With the  "New" Design for Thorin III he really looks like a Strong and Skillfull Young Dwarves Prince/Warrior and Heir of Durin so he may become the Hero Killer(but keep his Runes) with some Tank Features,while Lord Dain who as Dwarven Warrior in his prime and arguable the strongest Dwarf of the Third Age too deserve a hero Killer Role(but he can't have all) may become Unit Supporter with a Mass Slayer ability because some fans thinks he needs to display more his great skill in Combat like he did in the Movie and in the Book too,if you Ea think that it is a good idea please do tell me and I have a suggestion about new Ability for him! :)
While "Narin" (which is name Dwarven Khuzdul name) canhave the name Amrad(Meaning Death) or Galabi(Meaning Word,perfect for hims a sor of Diplomat/Messanger) who can be Hero Supporter in Iron Hills!? :)
So what you guys think about that!? :)

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Gandalf The Gray am 29. Okt 2015, 18:38

what if the writings on his name were runes and not latin letters ???

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Fredius am 29. Okt 2015, 19:40

I like the idea of the heroes having multiple roles, you got my support for that. Since our hero is a messenger; I think Galabi would suit best, although Amrad sounds nicer in my opinion :/.

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 29. Okt 2015, 20:45

I am glad you like it but I think we should wait for Ealendril or some other Member of the Team to say what they think before we continue discussing on that matter! :-)

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Fredius am 29. Okt 2015, 21:43

I can't say no to that :P!

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: korner am 1. Nov 2015, 00:24

Zitat von: ThorinIIoakenshield am 28. Okt 2015, 15:39

- I think that it is very selfish of the ET [...]
- respect to their fans not to even try something to show their thanks to our support [...]
- not even willing to please the community with a compromise to implement thise movie design [...]
- all I am trying to say is that we support the edain team a lot,we help them fight mods that stole their ideas but they won't even do something for their community
- as little as to add a movie design to show their greatfullness towards their fans

what the F...?!?

- it would be selfish if they´d make the mod for themselves and never release it. Be gratefull they don´t! (even that wouldn´t be selfish, as it´s simply everyone´s right to do what he likes...)

- you should say thanks for all the work, definitely some hundreds of hours of work in their free time without any payment!

- they please us by letting us play this absolutely great mod! And they implemented hundreds of features of the movies, just not every bit. Remember there are people who don´t like all parts of the movie (especially the Hobbit). How would they please those players?

- what kind of support do you actually provide? Do you think this equals to the huge amount of work, the team members put into making this mod?

- if it´s such a little job, why don´t you do it for yourself? It´s done in 2 minutes, isn´t it??

Sorry guys, but that had to be said...


Now back to topic:

How about a female dwarven hero? Dain´s wife for example or Drar´s and Murins sister, something like that.

I was just thinking about the part in the extended edition of Lord of the Rings 2, where Gimli talks to Eowyn about female dwarves (it´s correct that you don´t meet so many femals dwarves... the story of dwarves being born out of the earth etc.) and Aragorn making that joke about female dwarves having beards...
It´d be nice to have a female dwarven hero - of course with a beard  ;) - as the missing hero along Iron Hills.

She could get support hero role:

She should build up a bar/ an Inn where she sells food and drinks to the dwarven units and she would therefore be a stationary hero, a bit like Bombur only permanent.
The use of her skills should cost some money and of course have some cooldown:

- Food: dwarven bat gets fully healed and dead soldiers revived

- Drinks: dwarven bat gets +10% speed and +10% damage permanently

- move the bar to some other place. Some dwarven workers should appear to move the furniture... that costs money

- bouncer: the bar will be defended by 2 dwarven guards


That was just some spontanous idea which needs more thinking (names and price of the skill, design etc.), but it´d be more unique and funny then just another "normal" hero.

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 1. Nov 2015, 13:42

The idea of Female Dwarven Hero while sounding interesting I do not see it fitting and especially for Iron Hills which is one of the Strongest Military in his Time,if a Female Dwarven Hero is used I can see it more for the much smaller Ered Luin! :-)

But I actually do not see it fitting for the reason that Female Dwarves are really rear treasures which the Dwarves kept out of any kind pf harm and battle due to their incredibly low numbers! :-) And another thing is that Female Dwarves never had any.significant role in Tolkien's Middle Earth nor even in PJ Movies ,in fact the only female Dwarf Name we know is that of Thorin II sister Dis and even so she remains only a name,and another thing we know about Female Dwarves is Gloin wife being quite a beauty by Dwarven Standards!

So all in all I really do not see a Female Dwarven Hero really fitting but this is my personal preference sobif many other fans like then I will.have no problem using it! :-)

Hope you didn't misunderstood me! :-) Greetings! :-)

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Gandalf The Gray am 1. Nov 2015, 13:58

agree with dain

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Aule the creator am 2. Nov 2015, 01:44

how about nain and gror  (**) (**) (**) [uglybunti]

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: helloa2134 am 2. Nov 2015, 01:49

No Aule, they are both dead and so should not be included

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Aule the creator am 2. Nov 2015, 03:17

well for this poll i guess u could say that but durin can bring them back with ring

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 6. Nov 2015, 06:54

Hello to all yet again! :)

In the other Thread "Iron Hills Hero Roles Adjusments" we decided to make "Narin" the Role of a Hero Supporter!So about that I will post my suggestions for abiilities for him so that we can dicuss then and develop them better because ,well I suck in making Hero Ablities  [uglybunti]

LV 1 "Messanger of Iron Hills/Dain" - ""Narin is the Messenger of Dain,traveling fast with his Comapnions to deliver any messege his Lord gave him and traels around Middle Earth gaining Expirience from different Cultures -Upon activation Ally Heroes in the Vicnity of Narin gets 15% Speed and Earn 10% more EXP for 20 Seconds"

LV 5 - "Narin Companions" - "Narin alwasy have Companions with him for Extra protection to make sure he delivers the Message,Narin Summons 3-4 of his Companions around a selected friendly Hero to preotect him (either till they die or for short amoun of time like 20 seconds) "

LV 10 - "Threat for War" - "Narin threatens everyone who shal stand in his path with War/Battle - Heroes in the Vicinity of Narin gain 20% DMG and 10%% Attack Speed and Fear and Knockback resistance for 30 Seconds" OR "Enemies within close range to IHs Heros near Narin get Fear Effect and lose 15% Armor and 15% Speed"

I hope that together we can make him good enough for Edain to like and use ,as Ealendril himself said he likes the basic diea but we should polish it,let to this Edain Companions! :)

We should also decide upon a Designs/Look for "Narin" so that we may suggest to the Team a fully polishe Concept for a Hero! :)

This is my suggestion of how "Narin" should look...

(http://i.imgur.com/dJP96rt.jpg)

With this as his Weapon(Note: Not the Crossbow beacuse IHs already has a Range Hro with Short Bow,Drar)...

(http://i.imgur.com/EQzjoCh.jpg)

While the other Pictures of Heroes I suggest to be used for his "Narin's Companions" Ability if the Ability is Approved by the Fans and by the Team of course! :)

Greetings adn best regards to all Edain Companions! :)

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Dainironfootironhills am 6. Nov 2015, 10:14

I do like those abilites Dain,but I would like to add one say L8 or 10 perhaps

CAPTAIN OF IRON HILLS:Narin is the loyal and trustworthy captain of Dain's elite 500 and thus summons 5 battalions of movie design dwarves...2 battallions with broadsword and shield,two battallions of pikes and shield and one battallion of veterans which have more unique armor and no helmets and a two handed axe!

So for narin I thought of this http://media.slidedb.com/cache/images/members/1/762/761504/thumb_620x2000/10904426_445940672224644_4123242065774834123_o.1.jpg

I really think this is a great compramise to implemant the movie design fot movie lovers beacause if you don't like them you don't have to get narin...so because we feel an extra hero unit is neede a think this is the perfect chance

Please tell me what you think

Greetings from the Iron hills

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 6. Nov 2015, 11:11

Hi there mate! :)

Now you see Narin is supposed to be Hero Supporter so giving hi ma Army Summon Ability is not so much a Hero Supporting ability :) Look into the idea of te 50 0Veterans being Slayers in Dain LV 10 Summon but narin I think doesnt need a Summon! :)

Look my friend I know you like the Movie Models and belive me but I like them probably more than you and have "fought" for them for like almsot 2 Yeasrs,I had created Many Threads about them and Possible OCmpromises for them,other Fans here did so too,but Edain Team was crystal Clear many times that they simply do not like the Models and do not have the Motivation to make them and use them,so after bitter fights Wedcided to clos that chapter and respect the Team opinion on the Matter! :) Now I will not try to stop yuo from suggestign things about them but just listed to expirience! :)

Narin as Hero Supporter and representign a Messenger doesn't need so much Heavy Armor any  way and he is not Captain but Messenger!: )

I hope you wll unestand me properly! :)

Greetigns! :)

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Dainironfootironhills am 6. Nov 2015, 11:26

Ooohhh no worries I understand but would a captain be suitable for Iron hills

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: Maraelion am 6. Nov 2015, 18:04

I support LordDainIronfoots Narin concept, because it is well elaborated and also the design proposal is fitting.
BUT I am against the suggestion to give Narin the possibility to summon any of these movie dwarves.
Greetings
Maraelion

Titel: Re: Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)
Beitrag von: LordDainIronfoot am 6. Nov 2015, 18:15

No worries my friend I explained to my other self why the Summon is not suitable for Narin who is Hero Supporter! :-)

EDIT: Since around a week ago Ealendril suggested that we could change the Name of "Narin" with some Word or Expression in Khuzdul,here is the Khuzdul word for Messenger "Amnan" or Ümnan" I guess it can be used,but I personally have become very fondof the name "Narin" and would like to stick to it but if the Team Decides another then no problem for me! :)