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Walküre:
Some speculations about a menacing and very mysterious enemy in the lore. Or, better, is he really an enemy in the most scholastic sense? A servant of the Evil?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=vV3opfvFDpU

OakenShield224:
The video mentions how the Watcher seems to be attracted to Frodo. There is a connection to the Orc Captain in Moria who seemed to go straight for Frodo (even knocking Boromir out of the way to get to him) and potentially with the Balrog (who hadn't shown much activity for years but woke to attack the Fellowship).

It's interesting to consider something in this whole scenario. The Misty Mountains were raised by Morgoth to impede the Riding of Orome. Over the Three Ages, Orcs swarm over the mountains and also impede traversal over the land. Caradhras is portrayed as sentient entity that also impedes all traversal over the mountains. If you then add the fact that the Balrog lived in Moria, the Watchers (and other Nameless Things) lived around the mountains, both Angmar and Isengard were at the North and South of the mountain range respectively, and the two main realms of the "good" people here (Khazad Dum and Eregion) were destroyed, you can definitely see a connection.

Walküre:
I had already heard about those two interesting coincidences, if we may call them that. My personal opinion rests with the assumption that the novel, beside being a novel in itself and resembling also a chivalric romance of high culture (there were tons of them in Middle Age and the majority were set in fantastic scenarios), has also been inspired by the most common and canonical tales, in which correlations and coincidences (wanted or not) play a huge role. As for the true meaning of magic in Arda, I feel we will always be bound to find inexplicable references that the sole author could be able to unveil; but this is the greatest aspect of fairytales, in a way. Some riddles are very evocative just for the fact of remaining riddles.

You bring well-thought reasonings to your arguments. The Misty Mountains have seldom dwelt in the memory of the Good as peaks of good fortune and prosperous fate; in your words, they came into existence through violence and destruction, meant to fulfil a very wicked task. No wonder that time made it so that they would later be conquered by legions of the foulest kind, offering shelter to unknown beings. I'm generally very cautious about linking the Nameless Creatures to the Evil itself, though. The thing is, these creatures are so mysterious and arcane that they do not probably serve anyone else but themselves. They're so uncanny and secretive, completely wild and untameable, representing a lethal danger for both Good and Evil. I myself see some akin traits with the independent characterisation of Ungoliant, despite her being a Maia and having been corrupted by Melkor at the ancestral beginning of Eä. The Nameless Creatures seem instead to be a product of that unpredictable and fortuitous case over which neither Melkor nor the Valar have power. Fact that makes me very much unique, I think. However, as you said, should they ever act or sort of partake in the dispute between the two sides, they would be to hinder the Good and not avail its quest.

Walküre:
It seems to be the proper day to let this debate have beginning. I had gone through some speculations about the topic, somewhere deep in the Internet, but I don't think we have ever discussed this before, on Modding Union. Hence, let the games begin and may our thoughts be of great avail for the common scope.

Taking into account that Tauriel represents the lack of wisdom and knowledge of the world that High Elves instead possess, being them the heirs of a glorious legacy or having experienced those ancient ages themselves, contrary to the lore of the Woodland Elves, and since her beloved Dwarf departed in grievous circumstances (sorry for all these subordinate clauses, but I've always been so since the dawn of times): do you think that she has eventually elected the path beyond the seas of Arda, heading to the immortal shores of Aman?

Eandril:
I don't consider Tauriel in any way canon, but since Tolkien stated (or at least implied) that every single elf would sometime leave Middle-Earth and Arda and sail to Aman, we can safely assume that Tauriel (if she had existed) would eventually have done the same. I really don't think there is much to discuss on this topic.

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