Thorin III. Stonehelm

[Tienety]

I have some ideas for Thorin III. and larger differences between his two versions.
I think it is a pity that both his versions are very similar. Maybe young Thorin III. can be stubborn and more aggressive.

Iron Hills version (Thorin III.):
He gets a new unique two-handed weapon:

Level 1: Runes (same as now)

Level 1: Dain's heritage (same as now)

Level 5: Retribution: Thorin wants to avenge their fallen friends. He is angry to enemy hero and try to kill him. Enemy hero dealing damage and he can't move for 5 seconds.

Level 10: Stubborn dwarf: Thorin plunges into battle with enthusiasm and destroys everything in his path. For 20 seconds he deals +75% more damage.

Erebor version (Thorin Stonehelm):

Level 1: Runes (same as now)

Level 1: Prince under the Mountain: His ability "Dain's heritage" gets a new name.

Level 5: Righteous Heap (same as now)

Level 10: Stonehelm: His ability "Iron Determination" gets a new name. This ability is the same but also Thorin gets +1000 health points and selected hero gets +500 health points.

What do you think about this? 

[Draco100000]

This could be awesome, but a bit overpowered. So maybe if not 150% more damage, maybe 75% more damage at lvl 10, with his first abilitie. But remember that Thorin Stonehelm is a Tank, before a Hero Killer, and being the 2 things could be extreamly overpowered. Now he could kill a enemy hero 1 vs 1 easily, imagine with more damage buff, or with this abilities, could win even in 3 vs 1.

[ziqing]

Throin III should be hero killer for iron hill and tank for Erebor
A new design with more royal appearance for Erebor version would be great

[Tienety]

This could be awesome, but a bit overpowered. So maybe if not 150% more damage, maybe 75% more damage at lvl 10, with his first abilitie. But remember that Thorin Stonehelm is a Tank, before a Hero Killer, and being the 2 things could be extreamly overpowered. Now he could kill a enemy hero 1 vs 1 easily, imagine with more damage buff, or with this abilities, could win even in 3 vs 1.

Yes, you're right. He can get now only +75% damage.

Throin III should be hero killer for iron hill and tank for Erebor
A new design with more royal appearance for Erebor version would be great

Yes, maybe he could have a little different roles in Erebor and Iron Hills:
Erebor: Tank with an Hero Killer aspect
Iron Hills: Hero Killer with an tank aspect

[ziqing]

Erebor already has Gimli for hero killer aspect
We should avoid this two roles for one hero, it will tend to give us unbalanced results

[Tienety]

Erebor already has Gimli for hero killer aspect
We should avoid this two roles for one hero, it will tend to give us unbalanced results

Gimli's role is Mass slayer. You can find all roles here:
http://forum.modding-union.com/index.php/topic,30866.0.html

[Draco100000]

Erebor already has Gimli for hero killer aspect
We should avoid this two roles for one hero, it will tend to give us unbalanced results

Gimli's role is Mass slayer. You can find all roles here:
http://forum.modding-union.com/index.php/topic,30866.0.html

No one knows it but, if you use slayer abilitie of Gimli, he can kill everything (even balrogs) 

[LordDainIronfoot]

I preatty much agree on eveything about his powers that you said!And I love the Weapon though I always have found ONe Handed Weapons cooler XD and I think it is nice to be One Handed but may be with Shield!?
But still more or the less I think he needs a design change in both Erebor and Iron Hills!With all the Concept Arts from WETA for both kingdoms it wont be hard to make some new look and Armor for him to make him look more majestic like a Prince and Heir of Durin!I think he deserves more Noble looking and cool heavy Armor!?Don't you think so!?

[Tienety]

I preatty much agree on eveything about his powers that you said!And I love the Weapon though I always have found ONe Handed Weapons cooler XD and I think it is nice to be One Handed but may be with Shield!?
But still more or the less I think he needs a design change in both Erebor and Iron Hills!With all the Concept Arts from WETA for both kingdoms it wont be hard to make some new look and Armor for him to make him look more majestic like a Prince and Heir of Durin!I think he deserves more Noble looking and cool heavy Armor!?Don't you think so!?

I think it would be nice to have a smaller difference between his two versions:
Erebor: One-Handed Golden axe(same as now) maybe + shield
Iron Hills: Two-Handed axe

I have a feeling that you want new designs for all dwarves.
Personally, I like his old design in Erebor but I agree that Thorin (Iron Hills) could get new more majestic armor.

[LordDainIronfoot]

Well when there are so much ne designs and arts that can be used to improve the great heroes that Edain created I do not see why not! Thorin is cool as he is but I think just need some more Armor fiting for a noble Dwarf! And I agree about the smalelr difference between the 2 versions!

[Tienety]

Well when there are so much ne designs and arts that can be used to improve the great heroes that Edain created I do not see why not! Thorin is cool as he is but I think just need some more Armor fiting for a noble Dwarf! And I agree about the smalelr difference between the 2 versions!

Maybe in far future. They have other priorities that new designs for all dwarves in mod.

I have an idea for his armor. Maybe Thorin could get old Dain's concept art armor. I think that this would be more suitable for Prince of the Iron Hills:

[LordDainIronfoot]

I like those Dain COncept Arts they all look so cool and noble,but wouldnt this Armor make Thorin III look like too much like Dain!?I mean the Helmets is fine may be without the Bora on top but with it too it will fit him,as for Armor may be without the Cape and some other few changes it will make the perfect Thorin III Stonehelm of Iron Hills!?

[Tienety]

I wanted just this Dain's armor without a helmet from picture for Thorin with his old face, hair and beard from old model.

[LordDainIronfoot]

I know!I meant wouldnt the Armor be too much alike!?The team said they do not want to use erebor Movie Soldiers and Iron Hills Soldiers cuz their Armor look alike too much!So I thought this wil lbe a problem for them too!But I like your idea and the Helmet may be used for his LV 10 Power!

[Tienety]

I think that Thorin (Iron Hills) does not need a helmet.  In my proposal only Thorin (Erebor) can get a helmet.

Yes, you are right. Maybe Thorin can get this armor(without a helmet, cape and weapon) in blue and red colors:

with new unique two-handed weapon:

You can compare this with Dain's designs in edain: