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Elrond - Lord of Imladris

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Sir_Stig:

--- Zitat von: DieWalküre am 24. Jul 2015, 17:43 ---Do not insult our allies, Haldir of Lórien, this is an order from your Lady  xD 8-)

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I do what I want, even Tolkien can't tell me what to do!
Gildor for most useless hero 2015! :D

Gandalf The Gray:
i heard the name Gildor Inglorion i know he helped frodo and sam but i dont think he should be in the game

Eldalf:

--- Zitat von: DieWalküre am 23. Jul 2015, 15:24 ---
It is well known that Elrond has the ability of Foresight, and it is totally acceptable.
But, since Rivendell will implement the aspect of Foresight already in three different manners (Círdan's Omniscience, Palantír of Elostirion in the Lindon watchtower and Gildor's Vision), and since the role of Elrond (Hero and Unit Supporter) as the leader of the faction is greater than the other heroes', I would say that it would be a bit unnecessary and redundant adding another foresight power to Elrond; even though we know for sure that he has that precise capability.

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See, this is what bothers me. The quality was a part of his nature, arguably a legacy from Melian, at least in respect to it's power. For it to be taken from the character when it is a consequence of him being a blending of the three kin of elves, and the three races of the edain and with his Maiar blood seems to me deficient in reasoning. Take the power from elsewhere would be my preference, and ditch the horse, or alternatively one of the experience giving powers. I am not contesting that Rivendell has an abundance of map revealing powers, I accept that, however, I do think that taking the power from Elrond is not a good thing. It would be like trying to say that Galadrial should not have foresight because the mirror of Galadrial, the primary mechanism for her divination is an artifact and could be better represented by a constructed building.

I also question as to whether Cirdan should be a hero at all to be honest. He does not take part in the war of the ring, and instead stands to hold the Havens to ensure that the elves who seek to leave Middle Earth do not lose that option.

Walküre:

--- Zitat von: Eldalf am 25. Jul 2015, 06:07 ---
See, this is what bothers me. The quality was a part of his nature, arguably a legacy from Melian, at least in respect to it's power. For it to be taken from the character when it is a consequence of him being a blending of the three kin of elves, and the three races of the edain and with his Maiar blood seems to me deficient in reasoning. Take the power from elsewhere would be my preference, and ditch the horse, or alternatively one of the experience giving powers. I am not contesting that Rivendell has an abundance of map revealing powers, I accept that, however, I do think that taking the power from Elrond is not a good thing. It would be like trying to say that Galadrial should not have foresight because the mirror of Galadrial, the primary mechanism for her divination is an artifact and could be better represented by a constructed building.

I also question as to whether Cirdan should be a hero at all to be honest. He does not take part in the war of the ring, and instead stands to hold the Havens to ensure that the elves who seek to leave Middle Earth do not lose that option.

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The lore is a fundamental part of the Edain Mod, but must be used carefully and in the right 'quantity', because we are talking about a game, in which every faction (being them Humans, Elves or Orcs) must have the same chances to compete with the others and win.

The example of Lothlórien that you mentioned is quite significant; Galadriel must have a foresight ability, because none apart from her has it, and in fact she will have the most powerful and useful foresight ability in the Edain Mod.
Rivendell, instead, has already three different and effective types of map revealing abilities; given this fact, and given also that Elrond is not a scout or an agile hero, I would say that it would be better conveying his abilities as Hero/Unit Supporter to types of powers more useful on the battlefield.

The presence of Círdan in the Edain Mod is unquestionable, because even Elrond and other LOTR or The Hobbit characters weren't directly involved in the War of the Ring, but they are crucial heroes for their own factions.
Círdan is also the former keeper of Narya (the actual keeper in the Edain Mod) and, together with Galadriel and Celeborn, is one of the oldest Elves still living in Middle Earth, since he was born in Beleriand during the Years of the Trees  :)

Eldalf:
I would rather see Rivendell lose all other sources of Foresight than see Elrond lose it, because it is my view such a crucial part of the Character.

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