[en] Edain Mod > [Edain] Dwarven Suggestions
New and Different Outpost Building for Ered Luin/Iron Hills
Fredius:
--- Zitat von: Aragorn II. am 6. Sep 2015, 00:07 ---I don´t belive that Gnomi think that all your ideas are waste of time.
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Actually that is just half of the truth. He just stated that the English concepts feel "different" to him than the German ones, perhaps that means that our suggestions are just weird proposals to him that shouldn't be taken seriously [ugly]. That's why I just asked him to elaborate that statement.
CragLord:
--- Zitat von: Gnomi am 5. Sep 2015, 23:43 ---Just a small thing from the me as team member:
If we need to read all english and all german parts of the forums (and all new moddb things) and answer everything we'ld have to spend least one hour per day just for reading.
Let's say we have every day about 1,5 hours for modding.
This would mean that we can only mod for about 30 minutes per day.
So we can't read everything. Especially not when we are doing other things, like goint outise, planning holidays and so on.
Additionally some german users have the same concern: They say that the team answers more questions for the english community and is also more active in the english areas.
So basically what I want to say:
You always just see what's bad for you. And the more active we're in the forums, the less time we have for modding.
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This was mainly about Ea, thanks for reply.
That is all true and honest from you, but If I saw that Ea, instantly reply on german part about this matter, and he didn't post single reply in this topic from beginning, even famous "Sign", what should I/others think in general? Also this is one of the biggest threads on eng part.
Also of course I am aware about time distribution, I am just trying to be objective. I hope you undestand this in that way. About time in general, we all have our lives, and this forum is hoby matter, so if we spent a lot of time here and wrote walls of texts we have taken this matter seriously. In that term I really don't see why should free time of any member here be more precious in comparison.
--- Zitat ---You can say exactly the thing about yourself. You also have your standpoint, the same way others have theirs. Just because they don't like your standpoint doesn't mean that they are less objective than you're.
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Man, I am not talking about what other or I like, point is Lake Town doesn't fit as Outpost for Iron Hills, that is objective lore matter! You will do what you want with your mod, we all know that. But it is annoying also when someone suggest something and then memeber of team says it is not lore wise. What should we think in that situation? Of course I am replying on similar situations not on stupid ideas...
And if you have read all of comments, they "pinned" to main battle in BOFA, simply they don't understand or don't know this wasn't intended from start. Dain wanted to fight/kill those poor Lake Town survivors! So please explain them meaning of word "objective".
--- Zitat ---For me the whole concept looks like: "Adding many more models, just to have more different troups ingame, just for the sake of more troups".(note: I don't mean the movie dwarves, I just mean more different designs) Some of them are from the movie, but still the point stands: I personally see no reason in gameplay. And I'm one of those guys who love a game more when there are less troups, but therefore every single trouple has a purpose and a reason to recruit. I know guys who like it more when there are more different units, even when have of them are just copies of other troups, but I prefer other things.
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Lets be precise then.
Tell me honesty Gnomi what is point with all those Mordor units/models? How is possible if you have that kind of thinking that you let implementation of those "waste" armies of Morodor models? Or maybe you see this still like problem in game?
Also, why you have integrated Dale for Erebor then? This is also new bonus units?
That is main problem here! You have implemented 2 correct Ouposts for 2 dwarven faction, and there wasn't place/good will/lack of references for third. I must tell you this, we are for some change! I am not talking here imperatively about integration of strictly assembly halls! Simply trying to defend my idea. We need something new for Iron Hills, that is main point here.
--- Zitat ---I personally don't like adding units "just for more different troups". I had no problems with the amount of troups in Bfme I where every faction had just one type of units for each role. For me the most important thing is the usability in the game and that there is a reason to buy this unit and not another unit.
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This is as you said just model change... Also I could counter ague about current Esgorath models...
--- Zitat ---We have many people who're still in school. Many of them can understand english, but discussing an entire topic is something completely different. You're always much more comfortable with your native tongue, as you have more possibilities to write something and you canw rite and read much faster. Additionally it's always more tiring to discuss in english than in german for us, especially when you're not used to communicate so much in english. It's easy to write 1-2 sentences, but writing a whole topic if you're not used to it isn't so easy. :P
Of course that counts for everyone, also many people from the english community, but I can fully understand when people want to discuss topic in their native tongue., when they have the opportunity for it.
Additionally noone forced anyone to discuss the same idea in both areas. Of course we are always happy and think that it's good when the two communities get closer to each other, but we can't and won't force the english community to speak english and we won't force the english community to speak german.
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Agree, I thought on memebers who can handle writing/reading. As I have said, I presume that "lot" of members understand and they are capable of communication. I mean, we don't expect all members to join discussion anyway.
Of course we are not forced to discuss in both areas, but mainly I could translate from german part and see many things which are not mentioned on eng part (Like was case with Murin raiders idea or other ideas from Vorschläge section). I hope you understand we in right way.
--- Zitat ---I can understand that other people prefer different things and therefore I wasn't writing something, because I currently have only less than one hour per day for modding and I don't want to spend 90% of it discussing things and afterwards having no time left to do anything productive for the mod.
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I also don't have intention to waste you time dedicated for modding. I love this mod, other way, I won't do this! Only suggesting some ideas for improvements in my opinion ofc... This is serious waste of energy if you look from serious perspective, but I know that you know this fact. :)
--- Zitat ---Don't blame the team for answering some questions in the german forums, as we're doing the same here in the english parts. If you'ld be in a forum with your native tongue for 2 or more years you also wouldn't just switch and do everything in english. And there are already some german users who are also discussing with you here in the english parts. Additionally people only write something to topics which they are interested in - and I have the feeling that the english concepts have a different style than the german ones. So it also can be that most german users just don't mind as much about the ideas which are discussed here, as they are more interested in other concepts. (and when you're not interested in a topic you're even less motivated to write in another tongue.^^)
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As I have said above, I will underline again.
We don't expect serous discussion about any of ideas with all team members, we are only expecting some short answers (You wrote nice long reply not first time I know that, and thank you, but situation on topic demanded that...) maybe, and that is matter of good will mainly. :)
In general I understand what you meant here, simple request is to give some indications in form of small answers for pointless topics in your (teams) opinion. In that way you spare our time and we spare more wasting of yours. :)
P.S. Just take a look at Aragorn's comments. I would dare to say some of them are provocative and sarcastic comments in general, also many similar comments in a row, this is something which makes discussion big and pointless at same time. When I said objective I meant objective. Next time please take that into consideration before you stand in "defence" of similar members!
Again, I have written here my honest thoughts, I hope you will find them honest not only aggressive like mr Aragorn have said. Thank you for reply!
Regards
Edit: I started writing this comment immediately after you have posted yours, so I am sorry for other comments which I haven't take into consideration.
Aragorn II.:
--- Zitat von: CragLord am 6. Sep 2015, 01:15 ---P.S. Just take a look at Aragorn's comments. I would dare to say some of them are provocative and sarcastic comments in general, also many similar comments in a row, this is something which makes discussion big and pointless at same time. When I said objective I meant objective. Next time please take that into consideration before you stand in "defence" of similar member
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I don't wont to be provocative and sarcastic. I have just wrote my Opinion, because some member of the english community want that a member from the german forum be a part of the discussion. And why are my posts less objective than yours? We have different opinions, this doesn't mean that one of them are more important than the other.
Fredius:
--- Zitat von: Aragorn II. am 6. Sep 2015, 01:38 ---I don't wont to be provocative and sarcastic.
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--- Zitat von: Aragorn II. am 5. Sep 2015, 22:55 ---
--- Zitat von: LordDainIronfoot am 5. Sep 2015, 22:02 ---And with all my respect the only connection between Iron Hilsl and Lake Town(which did't even had proper Army) is BoFA and thats all for the whole Third Age Period!?
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No, but for the time, where the edain team had concepted the Ironhills
--- Zitat von: LordDainIronfoot am 5. Sep 2015, 22:02 ---I find it better to have another Lore Hero than 2 identical Bards!? :)
So I am sorry to dissagree but I do not think Iron Hills has enough strong connections with Lake Town! :)
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There is no Lore Hero for the Ered Mithrin in the time of the Hobbit :D
I think the connections between them are strong :D
--- Zitat von: CragLord am 5. Sep 2015, 22:14 ---But in this case, Lake Town don't have lore connections with Iron Hills. You have specified link from BOFA, I will tell you next, those dwarves wanted to crush people of Lake Town when they decide to stood between them and Erebor (from book). So it was natural they fought together against goblins and wargs when they wanted to kill them all. :) In other words, this isn't fact which could be used for integration of Lake Town as Outpost for Iron Hills. Also there is no lore reason for this.
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Why is there no Lore reasons? :D They fight together in this battle.
--- Zitat von: CragLord am 5. Sep 2015, 22:14 ---What is more interesting 2 Different Kingdoms with 100% identical outposts and Units and Hero which do not have real connection or having a completely different units and hero with more lore connection?
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Personally I think Laketown is more interesting. There is not an other fraction with more Lore connection, and which Hero do you mean? :D
Maybe you could use the units from Ered Mithrin in the travel stock (what is the name of the "Reiselager" in english?) :D
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Aragorn, look at this post here. You actually laughed on every reply and I don't know about you, but to me that looks very sarcastic and provocative.
Gandalf The Gray:
--- Zitat von: Aragorn II. am 6. Sep 2015, 01:38 ---
--- Zitat von: CragLord am 6. Sep 2015, 01:15 ---P.S. Just take a look at Aragorn's comments. I would dare to say some of them are provocative and sarcastic comments in general, also many similar comments in a row, this is something which makes discussion big and pointless at same time. When I said objective I meant objective. Next time please take that into consideration before you stand in "defence" of similar member
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I don't wont to be provocative and sarcastic. I have just wrote my Opinion, because some member of the english community want that a member from the german forum be a part of the discussion. And why are my posts less objective than yours? We have different opinions, this doesn't mean that one of them are more important than the other.
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man with your logic then why put thorin son of dain should not be in the game because he was not in the battle of the five armies
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