New Ultimate Spell fo Dwarves!?

[LordDainIronfoot]

Is it possible to reduce the footprint that the citadel requires? I like the spell, but I too find it very difficult to place, can it be changed to be kinda destructive as it forms, allowing you to summon it under enemy unit's?

I do not think it will feel good for Dwarves to be able to immidiatly summon a great building let alone under enemy units to do damage!

[Dardrad_of_Ered_Luin]

I agree with LordDainIronfoot

[CragLord]

Also, I think that Earthquake spell needs some change. It is strange that the dwarves simply summoning earthquake.
Maybe it would be better if you can summon Earth Shaker(unit in Erebor) and he creates earthquake.

Yea, you have right, casting Earthquake is weird right now. I am not for earth shaker to be unit responsible for making global earthquake. Maybe is better to implement new  global building for Dwarven faction. Some kind of Earth Hammer, similar building exist in vanila campain. Building should be unique, and without that building dwarfs shouldn't be able to cast that ultimate power, so production cost for this building shouldn't be high. Also in Erebor faction requirement for Earth Shaker production is to have this building.
Some images that could be used for base of building appearance:

Look from vanila:

 

[LordDainIronfoot]

I qute like that suggestion and the Machine looks badass!

[TiberiusOgden]

casting Earthquake is weird right now

Completely agree. It fits for spellcasters etc., not for Dwarves.

Look from vanila:

I really like it. Much more suitable.

By the way Dain - why Erebor has "Earth shakers" and rest of Dwarven kingdoms has nothing? Is it conceptual? I think that no, but honestly, I think that I've never used that unit. 

[Gandalf The Gray]

that earth shaker idea its awesome

[LordDainIronfoot]

casting Earthquake is weird right now

Completely agree. It fits for spellcasters etc., not for Dwarves.

Look from vanila:

I really like it. Much more suitable.

By the way Dain - why Erebor has "Earth shakers" and rest of Dwarven kingdoms has nothing? Is it conceptual? I think that no, but honestly, I think that I've never used that unit. 

Well I used it only once and just to see how it looks and what it does! I do not mind it but other Factions need something unique and special too!It is not fair and not balanced if one has 1 Siege Unit more than the others!

[Sir_Stig]

Is it possible to reduce the footprint that the citadel requires? I like the spell, but I too find it very difficult to place, can it be changed to be kinda destructive as it forms, allowing you to summon it under enemy unit's?

I do not think it will feel good for Dwarves to be able to immediately summon a great building let alone under enemy units to do damage!

I only proposed that so that it would be easier to place, currently you need to find a wide open area with no units on it, and it basically makes it only useful to defend your main camp with.

[LordDainIronfoot]

I just can't find it useful enough!And so Dwarvish!It is not like the Dwarves could make a Fortress everywhere in Middle Earth wher they wanted

[Gnomi]

If it's not useful, then we can make it stronger. Yes, they can't make fortresses everywhere... buta lso such a big battle wasn't everywhere.
For me the building summon is a great tool to show the character of the dwarves and have a unique spell. I agree that it's a bit tricky to place, but I wouldn't delete this spell for a normal summon. I have written many reasons against it already. The only real reason against the building I've read here is "It's difficult to place and to weak".
The first one is a bit tricky to change, but I'm trying to change the maps so that there are always some palces for the fortress and for the second one... well, it would be easy to make it op.

[LordDainIronfoot]

Well, "such big battle wasnt everywhere"can be sai for each Spell fo that kind! But that aside I guess once more I am unable to convince you or change your mind! I think the thread was fun and it should be closed now!But At least consider some suggestion about the Ëarthquake Spell Greeting and good luck to the Team!

[Gnomi]

Of course it can be said to every spell of that kind.
Just wanted to show you that your point "there wasn't everywhere such a big fortress" is not really different to that.^^ That's why I said it.

[CragLord]

If it's not useful, then we can make it stronger. Yes, they can't make fortresses everywhere... buta lso such a big battle wasn't everywhere.
For me the building summon is a great tool to show the character of the dwarves and have a unique spell. I agree that it's a bit tricky to place, but I wouldn't delete this spell for a normal summon. I have written many reasons against it already. The only real reason against the building I've read here is "It's difficult to place and to weak".
The first one is a bit tricky to change, but I'm trying to change the maps so that there are always some palces for the fortress and for the second one... well, it would be easy to make it op.

Well, I can say again that I am not for removing this spell from palantir. But there should be some changes. Yes, it is very annoying to find nice strategic place for Citadel, and if you could make it stronger but not op, connect it to tunnel network maybe again?
And I already reported this in Bug Section, but have freedom to say again.
I beg you to add rune effect to this Summoned Citadel like you done with Outpost/Camp/Castle Citadels. (It would be nice when Thorin casts all 4 runes to Summoned Citadel that all 4 runes be applied to Citadel's expansions (Catapults,Towers), other words to have that visual effect.) 

[LordDainIronfoot]

Of course it can be said to every spell of that kind.
Just wanted to show you that your point "there wasn't everywhere such a big fortress" is not really different to that.^^ That's why I said it.

I see ! Well you can battle everywhere but you can't build a fortress everywhere Just a joke!
 I know when a proposal is turned down!

[TiberiusOgden]

I know when a proposal is turned down!

But the second "better earthquake" proposal is on the road.