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Quality material upgrades, new function for Structural Engineering

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CragLord:

--- Zitat von: Tienety am 16. Aug 2015, 14:10 ---i have some idea for new unique improvements of fortress:
Oil Casks(This is old upgrade for dwarven fortress from bfme 2):
New fortress can have this update here:
You can ignite your enemies at the gate. :D

What do you think about this? 8-)

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Ok, this is nice suggestion. But don't you think it is unbalanced in comparison with other factions (Gondor, Angmar, Imladris, Rohan)? They should also have some kind of this gate upgrade, if somehow team decide to implement this idea. I see problem of balance? :) xD

LordDainIronfoot:
Well the same can be said about Gondors "Numenor Stonework" and "Teinforced Gates" so I see it more as unique feature rather thna unblanced ones! :) Rohan can get something like Garrioson may be "Spear Throwers" as at Helms Deep! :)

CragLord:
I am just trying to point on possible problem.
It is not some big change which will make dwarves more stronger or better, and is it unique or not, there is diversity which point on balace. I more for adding some similar upgrade for Outpost building maybe... Just want to say, we will need to add for other factions similar kind of gate upgrades with aoe effect ofc. :)
About this topic in genaral, dwarves are stone masters, Numenorian stonework is good but dwarven stonework should be better, of greater quality. I am for idea of implementing some Stone/gate upgrades for Dwarves.
Simple won't say that uniqueness of Numenorian upgrades is something which should block this idea or it is excuse for uniques of Tienety idea. There is no logic, that Dwarves in general don't have this upgade (As stone masters), and Gondor has. :)

P.S. About spear towers, can you add some picture of them? :) They will be anti unit upgrade, without aoe effect? :P :)

Elite KryPtik:
Actually Craglord, the Numenorians were just as masterful workers of stone as the Dwarves. All you have to do is look at Minas Tirith, the Argonath, Amon Sul in its prime, Osgiliath, etc. I think each good faction should have 3 researchable castle upgrades, Gondor already has 3, giving the Dwarves the oil cask or another upgrade would give them 3, and then Rohan would just need 3. In terms of defence, Rohan is by far the weakest, all you need are a few catapults, so something definitely needs to be done for them.

LordDainIronfoot:

--- Zitat von: CragLord am 16. Aug 2015, 18:37 ---I am just trying to point on possible problem.
It is not some big change which will make dwarves more stronger or better, and is it unique or not, there is diversity which point on balace. I more for adding some similar upgrade for Outpost building maybe... Just want to say, we will need to add for other factions similar kind of gate upgrades with aoe effect ofc. :)
About this topic in genaral, dwarves are stone masters, Numenorian stonework is good but dwarven stonework should be better, of greater quality. I am for idea of implementing some Stone/gate upgrades for Dwarves.
Simple won't say that uniqueness of Numenorian upgrades is something which should block this idea or it is excuse for uniques of Tienety idea. There is no logic, that Dwarves in general don't have this upgade (As stone masters), and Gondor has. :)

P.S. About spear towers, can you add some picture of them? :) They will be anti unit upgrade, without aoe effect? :P :)

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I agree about you CragLord about the Stonework and Gate upgrade for Dwarves as the greatest stonemakers but the Team will simply say that Gondro and Arnor already has those Upgrades and it will not be unique!But I am all for that idea may be something like  "Kahzad-Dum Stonework" and "Great Gates of Erebor"/"Great Gates" and will be awsome! :)
But this doesnt mean Tienity idea is bad and it can really be something like between them like having the "Khazad-Dum Stonework" and isntead of "Reinforced Gates"/"Great Gates" we can have "Oil Crates" for Gate protecion!?
What you tihnk about that!? :)

--- Zitat von: Elite KryPtik am 16. Aug 2015, 18:47 ---Actually Craglord, the Numenorians were just as masterful workers of stone as the Dwarves. All you have to do is look at Minas Tirith, the Argonath, Amon Sul in its prime, Osgiliath, etc. I think each good faction should have 3 researchable castle upgrades, Gondor already has 3, giving the Dwarves the oil cask or another upgrade would give them 3, and then Rohan would just need 3. In terms of defence, Rohan is by far the weakest, all you need are a few catapults, so something definitely needs to be done for them.

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While I agree about the Rohan part I must say that while the Numenorians were one of the best stoneworkers the Dwarves still are better :)
Now for Rohan,what you think about adding a Garrison on Catapults Slot or just Garrison at the gates woh some "Spear Throwers" which can hvae some better damage against Monsters :) And may be :"Stone Throwers"  since some peasant were throwing Stones :)

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