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Quality material upgrades, new function for Structural Engineering von Elite KryPtik am 11 Aug, 2015 23:53
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So the current system to level up Dwarf buildings is kind of scatterbrained, isn't it?
I think most people don't even realize that leveling up their resource buildings also levels up their unit production buildings, so the button should be made more prominent, on both resource buildings and on military buildings. It should appear similarly to the Ring Function and Playing System buttons on the citadel, so that people will actually read and be aware of the method of leveling their structures up.
Additionally, why does structural engineering still level buildings to level 3 when the Dwarves already have a unique system? This should be changed to something different, to improve the defense of the castle. My suggestion is to change the name to "Defensive Patrols" and make passive guardians patrol near each structure inside the castle and defend them, like Gorbag/Shagrats ability, and reappear after 60 seconds if they are killed. Post any ideas you have for a new and different function for this upgrade, I'm eager to read them!
Finally, I don't think that the Battle Tower Training upgrade does anything, or at least its not visible if its working. After researching it, towers on the walls still fire normal looking axes. -
#1 von CragLord am 12 Aug, 2015 02:18
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Totally support this idea!
This is really necessary for better introduction with game in general (Of course I mean on informational level of game). This is "minor change" which will polish game and remind me on something similar I proposed in my thread for battle wagons.
Also agree, at first place I thought there was bug with structural upgrade in game.
It is avaliable to research structural engineering on every stonemansion, which is absurd (There is no effect of those upgrades, simply you upgrade once on one stonemansion and that is that, what is point that this upgrade is still rsearchable on other stonemansions???). This upgrade should definitely add some improvement on defence system inside castle. About passive guardians patrol near structure, I say it sounds cool, but what is real benefit from it? Or better question is will that kind of change cause more lag or more slow gameplay? Simply, I find any kind of patrol unit unique as abilities or some expansions (as Dale). Don't get me wrong, I support this as idea, but what is real benefit from that kind of change (Example: 2 warriors patrol near building, will they save building from attack of 3-4 battalions? They will slow them and buy really minor amount of time. Is that some benefit? Of course if those guards do fighting, if you meant "passive"= not controlabe). I take to count and units from nearby builings, simply I think it would be nice visual change, nothing with real defence effect. That is my opinion. My proposal is maybe this upgrade should add some resistance to buildings against siege damage or add some small amount of armour in general. After all is this some kind of stone quality upgrade???
P.S. If I made some mistakes with current situations in game, I am sorry haven't played game for a week, maybe I confused/forgot something...
Same thing I wanted to add to my thread, as minor change which is nessesary. You forestalled me. If you find any more "minor" changes (which are bugs in general) which will polish game, please add them to my thread (I think you will find a lot of them, simply I see what kind of person are you from your comments. That topic I opened because I presumed people every day think out some minor change or simply find something during gameplay which could polish game in better way. Simply I am expecting that you will find more of those "minor changes" ).
P.S. I know that English is your native language, so I am sorry for any kind of errors I made here, simply I know those errors will "stinging your eyes" ...
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#2 von Elite KryPtik am 12 Aug, 2015 02:55
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I don't really think any of these ideas or suggestions belong in your thread, as excellent as it may be, because they are not minor cosmetic changes. Making an entirely new button for 5 different structures is a major change, and the Towers not gaining their upgrade is a bug.
1 small note, the structural engineering upgrade actually does work if the buildings in the same castle/camp/outpost are not already level 3, which is why it can be researched multiple times. That is not a bug.
Finally, don't worry about your English, as long as I can understand the point you're trying to make I could care less how many errors there are. If I was just learning German my grammar would probably be just as horrible The only time I get upset at errors is in the mod, and only if they're really bad, because I want to be able to understand what I'm playing. Which is why I ultimately ended up working my ass off and becoming a beta tester 
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#3 von CragLord am 12 Aug, 2015 03:41
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I was thinking you suggested to add one button about upgrades in general, anyway "Sharpness" of your answer left me speechless.
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Agree about towers, simply I didn't think to add some bugs of that kind (there is ofc bug section for that) to my thread, simply cosmetic changes (Like glowing axes and similar, simply I haven't expressed my intention accurately... ). I am hoping you didn't undestand my intention as bad one. It was indirect invitation for support, nothing more.I meant on level 3. ( Next time I deside to wrote on your topics/general in topics will check comment multiple times.)
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#4 von Adrigabbro am 12 Aug, 2015 09:22
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I gotta admit I hardly ever use the "upgrade all buildings to level 3" upgrade. I'm in favor of removing it. However I don't think adding patrols would fit. It's more of a goblin thing, like it was in 3.8.1 with Misty Mountains.
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#5 von Elite KryPtik am 12 Aug, 2015 20:07
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Craglord, my reply was not intended to seem sharp or rude, just to the point. I'm sorry if it seemed otherwise
Adriggabro, don't just say you want to remove it, suggest a new idea! My idea is just that, an idea. I want to hear some ideas to make this upgrade a defensive one for the castle. It shouldn't be identical to Gondor's defensive upgrades though, being more health to walls and gate. -
#6 von CragLord am 13 Aug, 2015 00:15
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Sorry for this off topic comment!
I just find you like person who is accurate and precise, nothing bad in my mind. So it is natural you know how to answer and polish shape of your topic.This was very instructive for me in general.
P.S. Won't post anything off topic/stupid in future.
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#7 von Draco100000 am 13 Aug, 2015 12:45
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It shouldn't be identical to Gondor's defensive upgrades though, being more health to walls and gate.
Why it shouldnt be an upgrade to make walls and gat stronger. I mean, Dwarves are master builders, they rebuilt the Gate of Minas Tirith, Also the Gatge of Erebor was nearly Undestroyable. So I think a enormous improvement to the Gate, and the Walls could be awesome as a upgrade for dwarven stonemaker. -
#8 von Adrigabbro am 13 Aug, 2015 13:06
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I didn't give any idea because I didn't have one.
My point was my disagreement about your patrol idea. -
#9 von LordDainIronfoot am 13 Aug, 2015 14:59
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I agree with Draco on this!Dwarves are may be the best builders and engeneers!So having the toughest Gates and Walls make sense!I would love to see some Master Stonewor and Dwarven Gate realyl strong and great looking!
But I think I know what will the ET say that Gondor already has those kind of uprgades and it will not be unique!
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#10 von Elite KryPtik am 13 Aug, 2015 16:18
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That is precisely my point Dain. Also, the Dwarven castle is already extremely hard to take if the player makes good use of Raven towers and catapults, making gates and walls even stronger would just be that much more of a slap in the face to besiegers.
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#11 von Gandalf The Gray am 13 Aug, 2015 18:52
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Awesome idea
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#12 von Tienety am 16 Aug, 2015 14:10
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i have some idea for new unique improvements of fortress:
Oil Casks(This is old upgrade for dwarven fortress from bfme 2):New fortress can have this update here:You can ignite your enemies at the gate.
What do you think about this?
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#13 von LordDainIronfoot am 16 Aug, 2015 14:44
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I think it is a really nice idea! It will make their Defenses stronger and at the same time unique since no other Faction has it ! And it sounds really like something that the Dwarves would ahve come up
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#14 von Gandalf The Gray am 16 Aug, 2015 16:49
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Awesome idea Tienety
