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CragLord:

--- Zitat von: LordDainIronfoot am 18. Aug 2015, 04:37 --- Actually I saw their beards and they were cool and most of them even had Iron Pieces Ornaments on their beards!:) And while I like the long forked beards ,those beards are descrbed in the books for the Veterans something which represents that they are old,wise and experienced something that should be only wirh them! :-) So I don't think that it is appropriate for the whole Iron Hills Army tp have those long beards! :-)
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Yes, you have right. I agree about Slaughterers unique book look. That is main problem for now, I said earlier they all look like Slaughterers. But also I must be objective and I will say for now we have similar problem with Erebor also (Gimli clones).  Also I wrote in my previous comment about armor upgrades look on different units etc. I agree, units shouldn't be like clones, and basic units don't need to have that kind of beards, but I must say that black color (I know you didn't mentioned this) is obviously reserved for them. Every dwarven faction has unique units color (of beards&hair), Ered Luin - blonde, Erebor-brown, IH-black, also don't think team would try to make big changes of that concept... 
My opinion is that Slaughters stays like they are now, they are perfect, other basic units should have some changes beards, model of helmets, etc, but I think they will stay black colored, that is main concept. Same with look of armor upgrades on basic units.


--- Zitat von: LordDainIronfoot am 18. Aug 2015, 06:20 --- No one ever said something about removing or replacing the Slayers ,infact I said the they must stay as a near perfect presentation of Veterans from the Books :-)
Me and Tienity had suggested the idea of Dain LV 10 Summon long time ago! :-) And I like it too! :-) Even the part that Tienity suggested when Dain is Mounted he can Summon 3-4 Max Battalions of Ram Riders and when on foot to Summon Iron Hills Infantry from Movie and I think it will be nice if they would be able to toogle between Spear and Short Sword! :-)
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I support this 100%. :)


--- Zitat von: LordDainIronfoot am 18. Aug 2015, 06:20 --- But there is another possibility,since the Veterans are 500 in the Book's and it is likely that there isn't an unlimited number of Veterans they could be Dain LV 10 Summon of 5 Battalions with Heavy Upgrades to represent the Books aspect of Iron Hills and their place in Barracks can be taken by Ram Riders,but all this is if the Movie Designs is used for the Regular Army of Iron Hills! :-)
And as I said therw can be made some cosmetic changes of the Players! :-)
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I disagree with this part of idea, simply think that summon of BOTFA is better, I think better in this kind of situation. :)

--- Zitat von: Adrigabbro am 18. Aug 2015, 09:25 --- Aye, I like the toggle part, Dain! :P
Indeed, summoning both Ram riders and BotFA pikesmen in the same time would be too strong and that would be a nice way to improve it. In addition it would strengthen Dain's importance inside the faction. He needs to be that important, he is the Lord of the Iron Hills and many Tolkien edits emphasize how a strong and powerful leader he was. I would even buff him (give him a small area of effect for instance) and nerf Murin and Drar if necessary. I believe this faction could use even more Dain.  :D
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Nice suggestion Adrigabbro, must say that you are very good at polishing of already suggested ideas. ;) :)
About Drar and Murin, that is for their topic. :)


--- Zitat von: DieWalküre am 18. Aug 2015, 10:03 ---CragLord is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to  :P

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Hehehe. :) Walk, like your comments. :D


--- Zitat von: DieWalküre am 18. Aug 2015, 10:03 --- I think that this would be a better solution, because Dáin's role and importance on the battlefield will be surely 'expanded'; and I'm generally for expanding heroes' role in the game, when it's possible.
Not to mention that the presence of a Royal Guard would highlight more his status as the Leader of the faction and his role of a Unit (Army) Supporter  :)
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Agree, supporting this idea. :)

Notification for LordDainIronfoot: You should be wiser with name title of that pool! :P I presume lot of people will understand that you are suggesting model replacement for Iron Hills, instead of adding those models somehow in mod. :)

LordDainIronfoot:

--- Zitat ---Yes, you have right. I agree about Slaughterers unique book look. That is main problem for now, I said earlier they all look like Slaughterers. But also I must be objective and I will say for now we have similar problem with Erebor also (Gimli clones).  Also I wrote in my previous comment about armor upgrades look on different units etc. I agree, units shouldn't be like clones, and basic units don't need to have that kind of beards, but I must say that black color (I know you didn't mentioned this) is obviously reserved for them. Every dwarven faction has unique units color (of beards&hair), Ered Luin - blonde, Erebor-brown, IH-black, also don't think team would try to make big changes of that concept... 
My opinion is that Slaughters stays like they are now, they are perfect, other basic units should have some changes beards, model of helmets, etc, but I think they will stay black colored, that is main concept. Same with look of armor upgrades look.
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I do not have problem with the Color of the Beard,and I like the Black Color of their Beards my problem is with their length and shape which is like the one of the Veterans/Slayers from Books,while it should be different! :)
And just do not make me start with the Gimlibor(Erebor Clone Army) I have diskussed that so many times and suggested so many ideas and Tienity did that too,to no result and thats why I didnt inlcude that in the Poll,like "Movie Designs for Erebor!?...Current Design for Erebor!?...Other Design except Gimli Clones for Erebor!? ":D :D :D That why I didn't even bother with that! :)

--- Zitat ---I support this 100%. :)
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Thank you for which! :)

--- Zitat ---Nice suggestion Adrigabbro, must say that you are very good at polishing of already suggested ideas. ;) :)
About Drar and Murin, that is for their topic. :)
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The Ram idea is Tienitys :) As for the Dain part I absoluttely agree with him!Dain should get some little buff,cuz compared to buffed Thorin and Dwalin and even Gimli he is not so tough but still great for now! :) And yes Adriggabro is good,I agree! ;)

--- Zitat ---I disagree with this part of idea, simply think that summon of BOTFA is better, I think better in this kind of situation. :)
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That part is IF( and that is NEVER) the Team includes the BoFA Designs for the Ragualr Iron Hills Army! :)

--- Zitat ---Notification for LordDainIronfoot: You should be wiser with name title of that pool! :P I presume lot of people will understand that you are suggesting model replacement for Iron Hills, instead of adding those models somehow in mod. :)
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Well it is for Model Replacing! :) All other is just compromise variants that are discussed and i may make Poll about that too,soon! :)
And now if BoFA Models are included as Dain LV 10 Summon it can be called the Ability "Iron Hills Elite" or "Iron Guard" or "Iron Legion" :)

CragLord:

--- Zitat von: LordDainIronfoot am 18. Aug 2015, 14:42 ---I do not have problem with the Color of the Beard,and I like the Black Color of their Beards my problem is with their lenghth and shape which is like the one of the Veterans/Slayers from Books,while it shold be different! :)

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I know, just I wanted to mention that in this situation, because models from movie are brown in hair and beard. :) Agree with that idea about beard, as I wrote in previous comment. Slaughterers should only have that kind of beard because they are THAT elite from book. For other "basic" units that is not necessary as you said, team simply exploited book description of veterans and mapped that description on whole fraction.

--- Zitat von: LordDainIronfoot am 18. Aug 2015, 14:42 ---And just do not make me staert with the Gimlibor(Erebor Clone Army) I have diskussed that so many times and suggested so many ideas and Tienity did that too,to know result and thats why I didnt inlcude that in the Poll,like "Movie Designs for Erebor!?...Current Design for Erebor!?...Other Design except Gimli Clones for Erebor!? ":D :D :D That why I didn't even bother with that! :)

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Hahaha, I know, really I just mentioned that without bad intentions. :) We will have new topics in future about that. :)

--- Zitat von: LordDainIronfoot am 18. Aug 2015, 14:42 ---That part is IF( and that is NEVER) the Team includes the BoFA Designs for the Ragualr Iron Hills Army! :)

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I understood that, just I think realization of that idea is ~0%. :P

--- Zitat von: LordDainIronfoot am 18. Aug 2015, 14:42 ---Well it is for Model Replacing! :) All other is just compromise variants that are discussed and i may make Poll about that too,soon! :)
And now if BoFA Models are included as Dain LV 10 Summon it can be called the Ability "Iron Hills Elite" or "Iron Guard" or "Iron Legion" :)

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I must say you now that I am only for some kind of integration of BOTFA models, not for replacement of current. :) Because that idea about summoning spell is something very nice, and I think we have best chances there for implementation of those models.
Yes, I like names you have suggested for that spell. Do you remember name "IRONFOOT" form movie? :)

Walküre:

--- Zitat von: CragLord am 18. Aug 2015, 15:02 ---
I must say you now that I am only for some kind of integration of BOTFA models, not for replacement of current. :) Because that idea about summoning spell is something very nice, and I think we have best chances there for implementation of those models.
Yes, I like names you have suggested for that spell. Do you remember name "IRONFOOT" form movie? :)

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Dáin, Crag is right  :)

I don't support the variant proposal of the summoning just because I disagree with the total replacement, but I support it because I sincerely think it could be one of the possible ways to implement that model in the game, otherwise there are almost no chances.

Sometimes, you necessarily have to find compromises (even though you like them less), for the sake of the whole concept  ;)

Tienety:
Personally, I like movie design for Iron Hills. but also I like the old design for Iron Hills units. :D
Old Slayers, pikemen and archers look great, I love this unit. 8-)
But Guardians of Iron Hills look ridiculous with one-handed axe without shield. Maybe they can get second axe/shield to left hand. So, Guardians will look more dangerous. ;)

Maybe we can have both designs in the mod. I think that Dain's ability on level 10 or outpost(Assembly Halls) are good place for movie Iron Hills army. 8-)

But I doubt that Edain team will remove their design for Iron Hills army.

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