New design for the Dwarven units

[Gandalf The Gray]

Well, they are not guarding the Arkenstone itself, they are more like the Arkenstone, a symbol of glory and union for the Dwarves of Erebor. The Arkenguard are the defenders of the royal family, keeping the glorious memory of the Kingdom under the Mountain alive. Because of that they keep their armor unchanged, handing it over like a tradition.

To reflect that, they are modeled after Thrors royal guard from AUJ. Since the regular Soldiers are supposed to differ from the past Erebor, we choose the new Erebor Elite as our Legacy Dwarves.
http://www.caps.media/201/2-the-hobbit/full/the-hobbit1-movie-screencaps.com-315.jpg

my friend you have a talent  you are so creative man you needd to work on a real game one day

[CragLord]

Well, they are not guarding the Arkenstone itself, they are more like the Arkenstone, a symbol of glory and union for the Dwarves of Erebor. The Arkenguard are the defenders of the royal family, keeping the glorious memory of the Kingdom under the Mountain alive. Because of that they keep their armor unchanged, handing it over like a tradition.

It is nice concept. I was just worried about arkenstone link with them more in physical way, nvm I understand completely now concept.
Btw, ARKENGUARD as name is sooo epic.

PS. Something completely off topic, maybe now you understand my "understanding" of Nimloth as symbol for Elendil.

To reflect that, they are modeled after Thrors royal guard from AUJ. Since the regular Soldiers are supposed to differ from the past Erebor, we choose the new Erebor Elite as our Legacy Dwarves.
http://www.caps.media/201/2-the-hobbit/full/the-hobbit1-movie-screencaps.com-315.jpg

And that is completely brilliant idea. You have exploited almost all details from movie and book and used them in one very logical and creative way. I am glad you explained this.
Legasy Dwarves, one minor part of Legasy of ET.

One question Adamin, is idea of new banner for Arenguard on its place concerning these concept details? I am suggesting if you are going to make new official banner for Erebor from movie (like you have done for IH) to keep old banner with arkenstone for this unit. I think it will complete experience concerning Arkenguard.

Maybe the Erebor Dwarves can get this nice-looking banner from AUJ and the Lego Hobbit game: http://media.moddb.com/images/members/4/3160/3159796/LEGOHobbit_2015-10-09_19-23-57-74.jpg ? I like the golden raven in the middle, along with the golden crown-like details around it. Any chance it can be made the new banner of Erebor's infantry? 

I support this also, I think it could be nice change.
Also I hope we can collect enough material for one general banner for standar unit and one special banner for elite units of every dwarven faction. I think that will be one very nice and important polishing detail.

Some Higher quality photos from the book for people

Oh, sorry for being late, I also wanted to thank you for sharing these pictures.
Very generous from you!
One question calsash, are there somewhere in your book pictures of Erebor and IH banners? Maybe if you find them, you can help us with these banner suggestions?
Some banner concerning raven symbol for Erebor and some banner with crossed mattock and sword for IH slaughters etc. 

Best regards,
CragLord

[LordDainIronfoot]

Well Crag my friend indeed it looks slightly like Yellow I am talking about the IHs Banner but it is more like Greenish Yellow but I prefer the Color to be Pure Gold Yellow amd the Red of the Banner to be more Brighter like the Red on the Soldiers! :-)

Greetings!

[CragLord]

Well Crag my friend indeed it looks slightly like Yellow I am talking about the IHs Banner but it is more like Greenish Yellow but I prefer the Color to be Pure Gold Yellow amd the Red of the Banner to be more Brighter like the Red on the Soldiers! :-)

Greetings!

I personally don't have problem with current one, but your suggestion is ok. I support it, after all, gold color is more appropirate for dwarves instead of green/yellow combo, and it is probably job of few "seconds" in some of picture processing programs. Again, I think if somehow we gain some original picture of these movie banners, our lives will be much more easier.
I hope calsash will suprise us with banners.

PS. Have you some screenshots of these IH banners from movie? I saw them somewhere...

[LordDainIronfoot]

I as you don't have problem with current Banner it is just I think if is Gold Yellow will be much better and combined with Brighter Red will make it perfect!

About those other IHs Banner I have only the Blurred Screen from Movie,I wasn't able to find anything better,sadly!

[Aule the creator]

the banner is perfect i love it .but why do the arkenguards have black beards ? is it because iron hills came to erebor ? if so erebor dwarves went to iron hills and blue mountains after smaug. so there are still brown beards or long beards in the irons hills its not like dain filled erebor with black beards . maybe we should try orange beards or back to brown its like having 2 iron hill elites its pretty nice tho but theres alot of colored beards we could use for dwarves

[CragLord]

Hello everyone,

Here me again, and again I have one suggestion about banner.
Actually, I have seen new EredLuin banner, and I really like it.
Symbols on it are very well thought and color combination is really great. Really impressive job in concept and ofc in graphic term!
As I have noticed, EredLuin's new banner and Erebor's new one have general symbol of Durin's house:

I honestly think this detail should also be added on IH banner, their leader is also descendant of Durin and all other lore facts are in this favor (these dwarves are also Durin's folk, same as dwarves of Erebor etc
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Durin's_Folk).
That Durin's symbol maybe could be added in middle ending part of IH banner:

Simply I think this is nice because of Lore reasons, and it follows consistency of concepts of yours concerning other two banners.

Best regards,
CragLord

[LordDainIronfoot]

I like the idea, it very good and logical and lore accurate!I am absolutely for that idea Crag! :-)

But I must say the most correct Symbol of the House of Durin is Durin's Crown with the Seven Stars! :-)

Greetings!

[CragLord]

Thanks Dain.
Yes, I know that, I am just referring on part which already exists on other two banners.   "Consistency" concept detail in my opinion.

Regards,
CragLord

[LordDainIronfoot]

For nothing my friend! :-)

I really like.your idea and hope that the Team will consider it! :-)

[Adamin]

But I must say the most correct Symbol of the House of Durin is Durin's Crown with the Seven Stars! :-)

Weeeell, that's debatable. Wouldn't Durins Crown be more likely a Symbol of Durin himself and his royalty? I think his personal sigil can be separated from the sigil of the Longbeard House.

[LordDainIronfoot]

Well you do have a point Adamin mate,but lets consider that all Heirs of Durin are considered as somehow his reincarnations to a degree!So yeah I guess the Crown can be his Royal Seal but also his House Seal while his Clan can have the other one!

But as I said you make good point and indeed it might be so,that he has his own Seal and the Clan and his Heirs another!

[CragLord]

I think that complete symbol was about Durin's house. I am thinking on this symbol:

Concening its parts, this is what I have found in lore:
The stars represented the constellation of the Valacirca, or the Plough, which Durin saw above his head when he looked into the Kheled-zâram.
Crown is probably supreme symbol, he was father of dwarves, and his line was only line of kings amoung dwarves. So I agree, crown was probably to point that  royal line of kings among all dwarven houses was from Durin.
And anvil with hammer is about smithing and their creator Aule.
I was suggesting this anvil hammer part as general symbol and it is not smart not to add it on one banner while other two have that symbol already in my opinion.
I don't know where did you find information about anvil and hammer to be official symbol of Longbeard clan (if you can to share source ), but if that is true, I think that is one more reason to add it on IH banner, because those dwarves (IH) were Longbeards mainly in origin.

Regards,
CragLord

[Adamin]

Guys, I'd love to discuss that with you, but since it's more about lore than Edains dwarves, I think this topic would be better posted in the Lore Corner.

[CragLord]

This has been started as a minor suggestion which was about one of Edains dwarven banners, so it was correlated to those models in precise way.
I would also like to continue discussion in lore section if it is needed.
Some new info and new source material is always welcomed.

Regards,
CragLord