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LordDainIronfoot:
Hahaha!!That last oe killed me of laugh :D :D

Well on topic I do belive Legolas will win against Gimli,as much  as I wish he couldn't  [uglybunti]

Elite KryPtik:
There are a lot of things to take into account here.

For Legolas: His strengths would obviously include that he is thousands of years old, and has a lot of training. He is extremely fast, accurate, and agile, and could probably swing 3 times for every single swing of Gimli. However, there are also weaknesses to take into account. As the extended edition of battle of the 5 armies demonstrated, the elves are arrogant, cocky even. I would highly expect that Legolas would only be used to fighting lowly creatures like orcs, not a true threat like Gimli and would underestimate him. Also, dwarven armor is Legendary, they are without contest the BEST armor smiths in Middle-Earth, so I have serious doubts that any arrows fired by Legolas could even pierce Gimli's armor, it would have to come down to close combat, which is just where the dwarf wants to be. Gimli also isn't just going to stand there and take an arrow to the face, so I discount that possibility.

As for Gimli, the only thing that needs to be said separately from above is that he is obviously the more durable and stubborn. Legolas winning the drinking game was nonsense, alcohol effects Elves, as evidenced by The Hobbit, both book and film, so I completely discount that argument. It was just a funny moment in the film, not canon. Gimli's sheer endurance, combined with his armor, means that he could probably take many hits from Legolas before even being slowed down, whereas a single hit from his battleaxe or even his thrown axe would severely injure Legolas.

Finally, a shared advantage is that both are heroes, and therefore have what I call "Heroic Luck". Basically, attacks that would be a sure-fire hit against an orc somehow seem to miss them, or glance off. So Legolas could be presumed to be half as likely to hit with his bow, same goes for Gimli with throwing axes.

Ultimately, I think that Gimli simply has more advantages. Better armor and endurance, a more dangerous close combat melee weapon, and finally he would be more likely to actually WANT to kill the Elf, and wouldn't underestimate him. I give this match to Gimli.

Here is my proposal: Gandalf the White versus the Witch King. Not the ridiculous nonsense in the film where his staff just blows up, Gandalf is a freaking Maiar, a lesser GOD, on par with Sauron himself. The Witch King is just an old man who knows some magic, and his greatest power was that of fear, which obviously does not affect Gandalf. Take it away :)

Fredius:
If we are talking about the armor Gimli wears in the Lotr movies, then he surely can be pierced by any arrow Legolas fires. If he wears heavy armor, like for example the Erebor armor shown in the Hobbit movies, then it's a different story, but Legolas accuracy with the bow gives him an easy opportunity to shoot Gimli in his face, even a small warmask won't stop an arrow to the face. Elves are praised to be one of the best smiths themselves, so if Gimli can wear heavy armor, then Legolas should too. However, just because you wear heavy Armor doesn't mean that you become invincible. Heavy Armor will slow Gimli down, combined with a heavy two handed axe it makes things only worse. Legolas with his agility can easily evade all those slow attacks, and it's not like heavy armor has no weaknesses.

Elves might be arrogant and cocky, but the same can be said about Dwarves :D. I would rather say that Gimli would underestimate Legolas, because of his stuborness and pride for the Dwarven Race. The Alcohol part was just a joke, I didn't use it as a real argument.

Well you just answered it yourself, Gandalf is a semi-God, WK is just a regular wraith :P. If Gandalf uses his full power then ofcourse he wins.

Elite KryPtik:
The Elves of Mirkwood are not known for their armor, quite the contrary, they are only known for their archery. The Elves here mostly consist of elves who never saw the light of the trees, unless my elven lore is off(which is possible), which means they are lesser than the elves of Rivendell in the arts of smithing weapons and armor. Also, in both books and films, Legolas is clearly showed to not have worn armor at any point in the main trilogy, while Gimli openly wears armor in both. The best armor Legolas is shown to have worn in the films was a leather hauberk(with some sweet pauldrons), and leather armor is not going to stop Gimli's battleaxe. A dwarf mask would absolutely be able to stop an arrow, dwarf masks are famed for stopping dragon fire! Even without a dwarf mask, a sturdy dwarf helmet leaves only a small area to shoot at the wearers face, combined with the "heroic luck" that I mentioned more or less negates the advantage of Legolas' range. Combine that with the famed dwarven ringmail which can completely stop Legolas' slashing white knives, and I just don't see Legolas winning in close combat.

Additionally, you mention slowing or tiring out, this is not something that would come into play. The dwarves are famed for marching with incredible burdens, and need I reference the 3 hunters, where he literally runs for 3 days and nights with no rest? I think the fight would be over before 3 days and nights had passed. I don't see it as possible that Gimli would underestimate his foe, quite the contrary, he would take the known strengths of the elves(archery, agility) and prepare for them beforehand. Just like you say for heavy armor, agility does not make you invincible. 1 hit by Gimli would be all it takes, whereas Gimli could be hit again and again by Legolas with no effect. For me it comes down to again, Gimli having more advantages.

Final note, it is stated(or perhaps just heavily implied) in the books many times that Legolas' skill with the bow was matched by Gimli's skill with his axe, which means that in close combat Gimli would actually have the advantage. We can also take into account that Gimli gets more kills than Legolas even though he does not have any real form of ranged attack, but has to get them all up close and personal, which is another point for this theory.

Fredius:
Gimli wore chainmail in the movies, about the books I don't remember. Chainmail is weaker than Plate Armor, so if he only wore that then Legolas could have skewered him with his arrows. Now let me expand on the Plate Armor a bit. If Gimli wore plate armor, it doesn't mean that he could have been invincible to arrows. Heavy Armor doesn't magically deflect arrows, even if the Dwarves were the best smiths of middle earth, I would still take the physic laws of our world into account. Iron/steel is still just Iron/steel, and that material can be pierced by arrows. If that's not the case then nothing could've stopped an army of Dwarves. And yes a mask of iron/steel can still be pierced by an arrow, Dragon fire doesn't deal the same damage as an arrow, an arrow pierces the mask, dragon fire does not. I don't want to apply the heroic luck into this, because I'd like to keep it realistic. If Gimli wore Mithril armor, perhaps then it would have been a different story.

Legolas has thousands of years of experience, why would he suddenly suck at close combat? I think you're severely underestimating the power of Legolas, master KryPtik :P. The three hunters ran for 3 days, but not in heavy armor. I believe he wouldn't last so long if he wore that. I

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