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New unit for Isengard Early game. (+ ideas)

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Adrigabbro:
Very interesting debate, but if I may point out something I found shocking... :P


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--- Zitat von: Skeeverboy am 27. Aug 2015, 23:46 ---It won't balance it, because scouts are stronger as the other start infantry.

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Dude, I have seen scouts online in mulityplayer, and they are not actually 'stronger'

Gondor players have a habit of putting their gondor soldiers in shield wall, and then massacring the scouts with archers.

The scouts are two units in one, but not until later in the game.

They cost 90 command points, but can only use their bows once you waste 1400 resources on Lurtz. (Cripple doesn't last long enough and he has a  habit of dying randomly)

You can't really count on them getting level 2 on their own, as they don't last very long once the fighting starts.

Perhaps you could add Ugluk's bonus as well once they reach level 2?
And make them level faster?

The point of making them cheaper is so you can buy them without sacrificing how fast you get late-game.



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One does not simply say you waste 1400 resources on Lurtz. :D
He is not as good as he was in 3.8.1 and I'm glad about that because he was massively overpowered back then. Seriously, how long does its Cripple ability last? 10 seconds? Do you really think it is not enough? He has two very strong abilities as early as levels 2 and 3, plus a strong leadership later and a mighty level 10 ability. He can switch weapon and you can hide him very well inside your Uruk army. Combined with Ugluk, there is no better way of "wasting" 2800 resources.  :)

EDIT: Cripple lasts 15 seconds.  :P

Mogat:
The time has come and I feel called to participate in this discussion  ;)

I played a game against skeeverboy (Isen vs. Rohan) as it was indirectly requested some posts ago and I decided to upload this replay.

Things we learn:
1) Lurtz is not a waste
2) scouts do reach level 2, even in the earlygame
3) Uruks never are feed. only if you send them one by one they are

I admit I didn't play perfectly, but this replay serves its purpose.

By the way: Rohans cavallery could have been crucial in this game, if it ran into my archers. But throug good spearmen-positioning this was avoided.

Elite KryPtik:
I couldn't actually watch this replay to the end. No offense to Skeever, but this is some of the worst Rohan play I've ever seen. To give you an idea Mogat, here's what I would have done. I would have immediately made Théoden and Merry, and been inside your base killing your ONLY starting mineshaft and outer lumber mill within 20 seconds. If you had come to defend it, I would have killed your scouts easily, because you didn't make Bill Ferny, and my units would have Merry and leadership from Théoden. I would then have stole your creeps, and made sure you didn't have any more outer resource buildings. Also would have made and upgraded my first farm a lot faster with cruel taxes on it, and had a couple of groups of peasants out to defend it after 1 minute. Then I would have spammed out a bunch of peasants, gotten Gamling, and that would have been GG for you. He completely failed to harass you in any way, which is the biggest mistake you can make as Rohan. Were you playing as random vs random, or did you know your factions beforehand going in? Not that it matters, with Rohan you go on the offensive immediately, to either harass economy buildings or kill starting units and steal creeps. I guess Rohan is not Skeeverboys strongest faction :P

Just a final note, I agree that Lurtz is not a waste, but Isengard's early economy is also incredibly weak and vulnerable, and often the opposing player can defeat you before you can get any heroes out.

Skeeverboy:
Than play again Mogat, and you will see that this not work.

Adrigabbro:
Even though I agree that Herr Skeever plays Mordor a lot better than Rohan :D , you KryPtik wouldn't have done anything like that for the only reason you could NOT have known how he started, because Rohan doesn't have any power to scout. But I agree with you on the idea: you have to harass as much as you can when you play Rohan, especially when you are facing Isengard. Skeever did not do it well in this replay. If you want to see Rohan winning Isengard, check one of my last replays in the strategy section (the game was played on Brandywine)

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