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Walküre:

--- Zitat von: kingsjewel am 23. Jul 2016, 16:24 ---There will be a debate about Durin but I think Thorin and Dáin is a great ring hero. It can be solved in other ways  that Durin stay in the game...

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Of course, I would too suggest anyone interested in the Dáin/Thorin debate wait for the release, to establish a more articulate discussion with useful suggestions. Even though, if you nonetheless feel the need to post some brief hints on the matter, you are obviously more than free to do it in this exact brief suggestions space.

I think it would be quite a pity to abandon completely Durin and his concept either, knowing anyway that this was due to very justified technical issues. So, just to simply give a starting input: what about implementing Durin (and the Dwarven 'resurrection element' connected) as an ultimate spell? There might be a lot of changes and readjustments to make, but I guess it could be indeed worthy of some attention.

kingsjewel:
I suggested earlier (not here) that Durin should be a Palantir spellbook's summon hero  instead of the Citadel. This maybe would be more useful too. The citadel sometimes is easily destructible. (The earthquake is more useful)
Sorry I have to use translator too that's why I write in short.

Walküre:
Yes, I just saw your comment on ModDB. This little briefing of ideas could be very useful for establishing a related topic about this suggestion, when the time will come. I believe it's pretty much clear that the majority of the Edain Community wouldn't really like to get rid of Durin's concept from the game completely. The spell would thus be a proper compromise.

As far as I remember, the citadel spell has obviously its own role and logic in the faction; and the Edain Team (I don't remember now which member) already reaffirmed this aspect exhaustively during a past discussion. It was almost one year ago though, and the premises of a particular element can always change in time (in this case, the fact that Durin is not available anymore with the new Ring mechanism). Furthermore, honestly speaking, I have never been a so passionate fan of the citadel either.

lordoflinks:

--- Zitat von: DrHouse93 am 23. Jul 2016, 14:13 ---I think that Dain's Ringhero skillset should be swapped with his older self's one. I know that patch 4.4 isn't out yet, but considering that Dain Ironfoot drove his forces quite aggressively in the BOTFA, I think that King Dain's Ringhero skillset would fit better on him, while as a King during the WOTR he acted more defensive and "Thranduilish" to keep Erebor and Dale safe from the Easterlings

Furthermore, I think that giving to a defensive faction (Iron Hills) a bit more offense (through Ring-Dain) would give it a slightly more balanced gameplay (especially considering that standard Dain is already quite aggressive, so why should the Ring make him more defensive?)

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I agree, particularity in regards to Vendetta and the ability to recruit units from all three realms. Vendetta does not make much sense with Older King Dain (OKD) as he defended Erebor against Rhun, while Younger King Dain (YKD)did quite specifically lead the dwarves in a vendetta against the Elves.
The same goes for the barracks ability, why does the Iron Hills a fairly isolated realm get it instead of Erberor the center of Dwarven culture?
One final point is that YKD has a mount, hence meaning he is meant to be a mobile hero, and for the ring to completely change this role feels iffy, personally I think his powers should be enhanced not completely changed.
One suggestion, if you do not want to change it for balance reasons can you release it as a simple 'lore' sub mod as currently it feels like OKD is leading the Iron Hills and YKD is leading Erebor when he gets the ring.

DrHouse93:
After watching the latest Elite Kryptic's video, I completely agree with you, lordoflinks. Even if I obviously didn't play the new version, I think that King Dain's skillset doesn't fit on Dain Ironfoot, even if the Iron Hills are a defensive faction, and I prefer his current 4.3 skillset

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