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kingsjewel:
No, your last suggestion is very interesting. I also have already thought that Thorin III also would be ringhero. Your background story about him also would be unique.
Maybe too much the two Dáin as ringhero that's why his ringhero form seems useless. (I don't agree either  that Dáin is the leader of two dwarven faction but I understand the reasons).
Truly I'm a fan of  Thorin Oakenshield 's ringhero form it seems really great and majestic and it also would be lore-accurate if he owned the Ring. It would be pity if his ringhero form disappear. But you are right about Dáin.

LordDainIronfoot:
I am not very found of the idea of Dain and Thorin being Ring Heroes,especially since I am a big Fan if Durin as Ring Hero and that he was one of the most unique Dwarven Things in the Mod.


Also considering how Dain refused and offer of all Remaining Dwarf Rings I doubt he would want to have the One Ring.

But all this is just my opinion,I will deeply miss Durin and will ruin big part of my Fun playing,but still the Mod remains the most epic of them all! :-)

Odysseus:
I see where you are coming from Dain, but I'm afraid this is where gameplay has to prevail over lore. Technically speaking, both ring systems the Dwarves have currently had are blasphemous lore-wise, but I think, in the mentioned ''what if?'' scenario, the Dwarves making use of the ring is not out of the question, at least not as much as a ring that had absolutely no ties to the father of the Dwarves whatsoever and that would revive him still :D.

I am sure it was a bit of a hard choice for ET, but gameplay-wise, they still added most of his abilities to the existing Dwarven faction leaders, with some other abilities catering to the gameplay styles of the different Dwarven realms.

In fact, I think ET has the right idea with this ring mechanic approach, where the ring gives great power, but that power comes at a price, which is beautifully reflected in Dain's passives. I'd love to see more of this approach in the future for the ring heroes of the other factions. There is so much potential with this, we have no idea haha.

Walküre:

--- Zitat von: Odysseus am  6. Aug 2016, 17:57 ---Technically speaking, both ring systems the Dwarves have currently had are blasphemous lore-wise, but I think, in the mentioned ''what if?'' scenario, the Dwarves making use of the ring is not out of the question, at least not as much as a ring that had absolutely no ties to the father of the Dwarves whatsoever and that would revive him still :D.

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I agree with you on this aspect; also, I would even dare to say that it was indeed a matter of lore too. As you wrote correctly, the previous and the current Ring concepts are probably not the easiest choices to handle, and they have certainly sparked a bit of disapproval among the Community then and now. But, in retrospect, as much as the previous concept was a very innovative feature, it was undoubtedly the most lore-blasphemous of the two: reviving such mythical Dwarven character via such evil means, while the Dáin/Thorin option surely gives you more 'speculative liberty' as a legitimate what-if scenario (just like Théoden).

Not to mention the whole renewal of the whole Ring system in the game, that exactly gave the developers technical justified reasons for replacing the old mechanics. I too believe it was rather a bold choice to make, and I'm sure that it will nonetheless give the very Edain Mod more consistency in lore-related terms (even if the past concept was not so manageable to get rid of). This is something I in fact wanted all the people complaining on ModDB to understand; with quite some difficulty, I have to admit  :D

Nevertheless, I would also like to underline the just remark of Dáin about the huge importance that Durin had in the game and still has for the entire Dwarven culture. As my hints above suggested, I guess the character really deserves to be part of the faction anyway, and what I deem a possible proper place could be the spellbook. The citadel spell has too its pivotal role in the Dwarven gameplay, but a more 'political answer' might be held in higher consideration than pure gameplay: that is, the will of preserving such iconic hero as Durin is.

I would say there is a very favourable ground to establish a new discussion in regards of this said topic; it would be interesting to see a thread being developed and conceiving constructive suggestions in the meantime. Probably, on the eve of a future overhaul of each faction's spellbook, we might now be at a turning point for making such proposals  ;)

CragLord:
One small question which could be translated as suggestion in same time, why Drar and Murin have sound packs of Arken Guard and Unburnt units? In earlier version of mod they had unique nice sound packs. Why is this changed? :) Is possible to restore old sound packs to them?

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