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AmosVogel

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The white council
« am: 18. Sep 2015, 07:21 »
Someone just wrote something about the white council, which is very very hard to add to Imladris as they are champs of their own factions & imladris doesn't need more super-powerful heroes; also as fas as i remember imladris will not have a map feature in Dol Guldur. Anyway here it is what i thought:

There is a white council building by now that will recruite siege units aka mages. So i think it could have instead of one floor two, in the last one (the chamber of the movie) there will be a round table & three of the fou characters: Saruman & Gandalf sitting one infront the other & Galadriel standing watching them.

When selecting the building there will appear two buttons:

-The mages
-The white council

At the white council button will appear the following:

**Non summonable characters:

-Radagast the Brown:  I followed their trail: A none selectable Radagast in slegh appears from a corner of the map & wanders through it for a minute. Showing a large radious.
-Saruman the White: Let us examine what we know: Saruman reveals the known enemy bases.
-Galadriel: You must be careful: All soldiers gain invulnerability for 30 secs

Summonable characters lvl 2:

-Gandalf the Grey:  The same Gandalf as the summonable at the Council of Elrond (so there will be no more Gandalf at the council of Elrond) for a short period of time.

The building should be improved by recruiting the mages & it will achieve an ultimate lvl 3 that will lock Sarumans button but will unlock a new one:

-The new leader of the white council (passive ability) Gandalf will be recruited as Gandalf the white for a short period of time.


The idea consist in what we know from books & saw in movies: Gandalf was the only one member active that went for away, thats why i think he should be the only one recruitable heroe from this building & none from the Council of Elrond spell (despite i know he never layed at Imladris, but at the other hand he only went to Imladris when he seeked to reunite a council)

Hope this can help in one way or another ^^
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Re: The white council
« Antwort #1 am: 20. Sep 2015, 00:48 »

Very particular idea, I have to say  :)

This is what I recently wrote on ModDB about the evergreen and very popular proposal of the White Council being somehow implemented in Rivendell by many possible means.
This comment refers to the original summoning concept of this proposal, but, it nonetheless deals with one of the main problematic issues of this whole idea, which is basically the 'lore conflict' between the timeline of the White Council and the one of Imladris in the Edain Mod (War of the Ring).


Your proposal is indeed a bit different, but, it doesn't really resolve the lore issue of timelines, and not even the fact that Imladris would thus have a lot of powerful and unique (Leaders) heroes of other factions available, on top of its already impressive characteristic of having at hand other powerful and unique heroes via other spells (The Council of Elrond and the Last Alliance Spell).
The whole idea of the White Council never really convinced me at all, although it could certainly be very useful and impressive.

Probably, this concept as a special feature of the Dol Guldur map for Rivendell would be more appealing and, most importantly, very fair and balanced in the general perspective of the other factions and the game itself  :)

P.S. The implementation of Galadriel, according to your proposal, is the element that I don't like the most.
Invulnerability is the specific and unique trait of Nenya, the level 10 power of Galadriel.
Adding this precious tool of hers in another faction (via a system like this) would mean, I think, 'stealing' something really valuable from Galadriel and Lothlórien itself  [ugly]

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Re: The white council
« Antwort #2 am: 20. Sep 2015, 17:51 »
Hmm, the building you are referring too, is no longer part of Imladris! It was included for a short time, but then the lightbringers were simply transferred to the citadell where you can recruit them after researching an upgrade.
To be honest, I don't really need the White Counsil in Edain. I still think that the film version was garbage at best because it seriously portraited Saruman as just a huge idiot while completely glossing over his hidden desires of the ring -a step which is practicaly necessary as Fellowship starts at a point were Saruman just starts his assembling of an army, whereas in the book, Isengard is already tainted and ready for war. Therefore the entire scene makes not one bit of sense, because the fact why Saruman acts as he acts is just ignored. (Another problem of the chronology of the two trilogies: Because LotR came out previously, everyone knew Saruman as the villain.)
And after Saruman's open alliance with Sauron the White Counsil was more or less done for, for what I know. I might be wrong about this, but as far as I am concerned, this feature isn't adding much to Imladris apart from certain abilities and Gandalf who is already included in the other counsil, which makes a lot more sense then the White one. ;) Therefore I am against this idea, because in my opinion it causes a lot of inconsistencies inside of Imladris.

However DieWalküre's idea about a map special in DG could be a nice idea. What makes me uncertain about this is the fact, that the DG-map is more of Sauron's fortress from the war of the ring while the hobbit-DG is more his secret lair after his fall, which he choose to do his research at the last known place the ring once was.


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Re: The white council
« Antwort #3 am: 22. Sep 2015, 10:27 »
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Re: The white council
« Antwort #4 am: 22. Sep 2015, 14:44 »
The White Council Chamber is no longer buildable by Imladris, yes; but to my knowledge the Team still have its model. Maybe that building will be included in a White Council special map or something?
« Letzte Änderung: 22. Sep 2015, 17:02 von Ealendril »

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Re: The white council
« Antwort #5 am: 22. Sep 2015, 17:47 »
I still think that the film version was garbage at best because it seriously portraited Saruman as just a huge idiot while completely glossing over his hidden desires of the ring -a step which is practicaly necessary as Fellowship starts at a point were Saruman just starts his assembling of an army, whereas in the book, Isengard is already tainted and ready for war. Therefore the entire scene makes not one bit of sense, because the fact why Saruman acts as he acts is just ignored.


Well, I don't really think that the whole White Council plot was total garbage.
Actually, many people, as I have read throughout the Internet, liked it very much; some at the point of saying that it was one of the precious elements (very few) that 'saved' the Hobbit trilogy.
I personally agree with them, and, in my opinion, the White Council plot was the best part of this serie of films, and the one that I enjoyed the most (even though it is a secondary subplot in the whole Hobbit plot).
Not only was it great because we had the chance to see again on the screen really superb actors, but also because it was very interesting and impressive having a deep look at the events which involved mighty characters as the members of the White Council are; this subplot was arguably the element that connected the two trilogies the most.
But this doesn't mean, of course, that there wasn't any flaw in it either way.

Concerning Saruman, one could keep on talking about his role and the actions of the White Council for hours; I will just say that the portrayal of this subplot was more than satisfying, in my opinion, if we also consider that, according to the pure lore, the vigilance of the White Council, the investigation of Gandalf and the interest of Saruman for the One Ring involve centuries, and thus it would have been above the common cinematographic standards focusing too much on these characters and following strictly the lore (we are still talking about films).
Nonetheless, I believe that there are indeed a few deep and subtle (very subtle) hints of the interest of Saruman about the One Ring both in AUJ and BOTFA.
The fact that he strongly believes that Sauron and the One Ring have completely disappeared from the World could be indicative, or the fact that he knows a lot about the Rings of Power in general, showing an enigmatic interest (also, in the EE of AUJ, Gandalf and Saruman have a brief discussion about the Seven Rings of the Dwarves).

However DieWalküre's idea about a map special in DG could be a nice idea. What makes me uncertain about this is the fact, that the DG-map is more of Sauron's fortress from the war of the ring while the hobbit-DG is more his secret lair after his fall, which he choose to do his research at the last known place the ring once was.


It's true, Sauron hid in Dol Guldur to recover his powers, but it's also true that this place was already dreadful and dangerous; its poisonous influence had already started to corrupt deeply the environment of Mirkwood for a long time, forcing Thranduil to move his realm in the far North of these Woods.
Furthermore, we have to consider that Sauron himself was directly present in the fortress, and this raises the standards on another level.
« Letzte Änderung: 23. Sep 2015, 01:54 von DieWalküre »

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Re: The white council
« Antwort #6 am: 10. Okt 2015, 02:23 »
Hmm, the building you are referring too, is no longer part of Imladris! It was included for a short time, but then the lightbringers were simply transferred to the citadell where you can recruit them after researching an upgrade.

The White Council Chamber is no longer buildable by Imladris, yes;

but but but but but
It was so beautiful! and unique! And amazing! It was a place for my favourite units in the game, the mages (which I hope won't be called lightbringers, such a silly name, call them for what they are: wizards, mages, sorcerers, badasses). Neto is sad, very sad.

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Re: The white council
« Antwort #7 am: 27. Okt 2015, 19:49 »
Peter Jackson ruined his very last chance to make something epic about the white council, please Edain Team PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! make something about them!! whatever you want maybe an easteregg or a map feature or anything!!!

There maybe those who think these guys mean nothing in TA history but there are a lot of us that want them together!!!! pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!! we beg yaaaaa!!! haha

But really, there should be one way or another!!!
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Re: The white council
« Antwort #8 am: 27. Okt 2015, 21:37 »
While I disagree that PJ completely ruined his White Council portrayal (he certainly mucked up big time with things like Samara, Lady of Light), I too agree that we should like to see them in the mod in one form or another.

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Re: The white council
« Antwort #9 am: 27. Okt 2015, 22:44 »
^^I agree with NetoD20,I love the look of the White Council building. I really hope the Team keeps the model in the mod, then we can at least use it in WorldBuilder maps  :).

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Re: The white council
« Antwort #10 am: 4. Nov 2015, 05:59 »
The White Council Chamber is no longer buildable by Imladris, yes; but to my knowledge the Team still have its model. Maybe that building will be included in a White Council special map or something?
The White Council building is gone?! Oh no, I thought that was a cool idea! :(

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Re: The white council
« Antwort #11 am: 4. Nov 2015, 09:15 »
^^Believe me, I loved the White Council building for Imladris and I found it a nice addition to the faction. But unfortunately the Team has obviously removed it.
But I think they still have the model of the building, so let's hope they at least make it placeable on maps in WorldBuilder  ;).

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Re: The white council
« Antwort #12 am: 4. Nov 2015, 13:46 »
chill guys obviously the team will rework imladris you don't know what the team will put in the faction

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Re: The white council
« Antwort #13 am: 4. Nov 2015, 16:39 »
chill guys obviously the team will rework imladris you don't know what the team will put in the faction


Exactly.
As Lothlórien has been subjected to significant changes both graphically and conceptually, the same could easily be for Rivendell, as it has not been released yet, and, probably, won't be the next faction to be so as well.

Just be confident, and, when the time will come, share these or other future suggestions with the Community  ;)

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Re: The white council
« Antwort #14 am: 6. Nov 2015, 04:58 »

Thanks for the hint at the next faction  :P
« Letzte Änderung: 6. Nov 2015, 09:56 von DieWalküre »