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Dain Ironfoot level 10 summon and Ram Riders?

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Odysseus:
Guten abend ET and community,

I have a little enquiry and proposal for Dain Ironfoot attached with a poll.

What exactly is the meaning or role of his ''Dwarven Realms'' summon?

He spawns four units from the different realms, which sounds neat, but at the point where Dain is level 10, it is kind of lacking. Why, you ask? It summons basic troops, without any upgrades. There are not even any dwarven defenders, slaughterers or Great Axe Guardians. Just phalanx, guardians, crossbowmen and axe throwers if I am correct.

I was thinking, because the community clearly seems to ''whine'' a lot about Iron Hills, we could change the idea to the following: Replace that ability with a ''Ram Rider'' summon and to perhaps differentiate it a little from the older Dain and Mister Arkenstone, we could set it to level 9. Because, if I recall correctly, one king has a final level 10 ability, the other a final level 8, we are only missing a final level 9 ability :P. (Ps. I am probably wrong, so correct me.)

Anyway, it would summon something like three small Ram Rider battalions for a short to medium duration that mostly specialise in knocking enemies around, without almost instantly dying like the BattleWagon. They'd be similar to Warg Riders in a sense with less attack speed and power perhaps, but more durable and more knockback?

You already possess the model (from Murin's summon and the Battle Wagon), and the animation (Warg Riders, Dain Ironfoot mounted), perhaps it would be nice to implement that for the community. It is of course not a priority at all, but it is a suggestion to consider, perhaps? I will let the poll go for 7 days, if I have your permission of course.

I look forward to hear your thoughts!

Kind regards.

Saruman_the_wise:
I think using them as a summon bye dain is an excellent idea!

aminetude:

--- Zitat von: Saruman_the_wise am 16. Okt 2015, 00:36 ---I think using them as a summon bye dain is an excellent idea!

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yes indeed, and making them temporary summon will even fit more with the movie, since the ram riders helped dain just for a little while ( i guess they dismount from their rams later to fight the orcs )

Elite KryPtik:
This has been suggested countless times now, and while I did vote to have them summonable in the poll, I guarantee you its not going to happen. The team have stated multiple times on several different threads that they do not like the designs of the Iron Hills Dwarves in the movies, and that they don't think the Dwarves should have any cavalry. Sorry, not trying to be a fun-killer, but don't get your hopes up.

NetoD20:
I like the summon idea (even though I voted for a buildable implementation). But particularly I would absolutely like the liberty of using them as a permanent summon. Also the current models for them as used in Murin's skill is kinda bad, because they're nothing more than regular guardians on rams.

I must say that I like @Odysseus comparison of them to Warg Riders, and his idea that they could be a slower cavalry unit but with higher armor and the ability to knock enemies back (I think the knockback thing should also apply to Ram Chariots).


--- Zitat von: aminetude am 16. Okt 2015, 01:03 ---
--- Zitat von: Saruman_the_wise am 16. Okt 2015, 00:36 ---I think using them as a summon bye dain is an excellent idea!

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yes indeed, and making them temporary summon will even fit more with the movie, since the ram riders helped dain just for a little while ( i guess they dismount from their rams later to fight the orcs )

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Personally I don't believe that the fact of them not appearing much in the movie is enough to say that a temporary summon fits them. As opposed to other units that currently appear in the mod as temporary summons, the Ram Riders were a integral part of Dáins army, not last moment reinforcements like the Rohirrim to Gondor or Gondor  forces to Arnor. There's plenty of permanent summons in the game and I don't see a reason to why RRs should be temporary.

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