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Mordor Balance Discussion

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Odysseus:
Do you have a replay, per chance? I have been testing Sauron numerous times the last couple of days and I do agree in certain aspects, but not with everything. Sauron's abilities are truly insane, but his actual combat power against anything above regular troops and un-upgraded elite troops, is rather mediocre.

It's a double-sided coin argument, unfortunately. Lore-wise, Sauron should be stronger. However, lore-wise, Sauron does also not obtain the Ring in the 3rd Age. If certain aspects of the factions are nerfed or tweaked, others can be buffed or tweaked. If default orcs will get a slight nerf, trolls will probably get a slight buff. If we nerf Cirith Ungol or the heroes a tiny bit, we could beef Sauron a bit, me thinks. Give and take is such a lovely policy for balance :P.

We must, however, never forget that Sauron is a hero that sticks with you through the entirety of the match. He only costs 1000 resources to recruit, which is not that expensive. He also has the largest ability roster in the mod. Personally, what I would like to see for Sauron, is that fire damage by catapults or fire arrows is reduced severely against him (except against his shadow form), for he is a ruler of fire. But that's all for the moment, for me. If we buff Sauron directly, the heroes linked to him, will also be buffed, so that's something to consider as well.

Still, Mordor is probably the most discussed faction, together with Rohan, balance-wise, because there is much to say about them. We have largely agreed to nerf default orcs a bit, and buff trolls a bit, but anything beyond that...Who can say (for now)?

Cheers!

Spacetyrant93:
Unfortunately not, sorry.

Yes, indeed. I suppose we'll see, but still, it's...weird for Sauron to be that mediocre. At least for me.

Thank you for your answer :)

Hamanathnath:
Well, remember that Sauron in Bfme2 and Rotwk did cost an insane amount of money to make (like 10000 resources if I remember correctly) as well as actually obtaining the ring.  Because of this cost, his insane Health, Armor, and Damage is justified.  In Edain, Sauron only costs 1000, and can't die like a normal hero, so you never have to pay that 1000 again to get him back.  So I don't agree that he should be as strong stat wise as he was in the other games. 

What makes Sauron different from Bfme2 and Rotwk is his abilities, which were really lacking in those games.  He has the largest ability roster of any Ring hero in Edain, and his abilities make him very strong at taking on larger armies. 

Remember that Citadel Guards cost 1400 per group, and are Gondor's strongest infantry.  Since they only take off 1/4 of his health before they die, that means Sauron can kill 4 groups in a row before dieing, and 4 groups of Citadel Guards cost 5600, which is a lot.  And that's assuming he uses no abilities at all, because if he does, with just the Heal he has alone he will be able to kill 6 groups, and with all the others I'd assume a lot more than that.

Sauron should be the best ring hero in the game, for obvious reasons.  And right now, I think he is.  The only one that is a close contender is Saruman, whose Knockback on normal attacks and Insanely powerful abilities bring him close to, if not equal with the Strength of Sauron.  Saurons still needs to be able to be countered by something, and right now I think he is in a good spot.  I wouldn't mind seeing maybe a very small increase to Sauron's base stats, but nothing more than very small.
 

The_Necromancer0:
I'd like to mention that while it is true that you only have to buy him once, leveling him up isn't exactly free. While regular heroes level up by simply being on the battefield, Sauron takes time (LV5 horde, 20 hordes) and resources (Mouth of Sauron 2000, 4 trolls, Great Siegework level 3).

Hamanathnath:

--- Zitat von: The_Necromancer0 am 19. Jan 2016, 18:02 ---I'd like to mention that while it is true that you only have to buy him once, leveling him up isn't exactly free. While regular heroes level up by simply being on the battefield, Sauron takes time (LV5 horde, 20 hordes) and resources (Mouth of Sauron 2000, 4 trolls, Great Siegework level 3).

--- Ende Zitat ---
Agreed, but most of the objects you need to buy are objects which you will buy anyways, while in Bfme2 and Rotwk you need to give up a lot of money at once.  It's not like you buy the Mouth of Sauron or the Nazgul JUST to level up Sauron.  They are also very useful heroes themselves.  Yes, it does take a while to level him, but that's a counter to the fact that he can't die and is very useful for his price.

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