Does Iron Hills need 1 more Hero and who should he be!? :)

[Fredius]

ThorinIIIOakenshield, first of all I can say that I am a fan of the movie designs as much as you are, perhaps even more. I'm such a great fan that I have some big plans for them in this mod, but right now I will stay quiet about it, because it's still too early to say anything in public.

However, I already saw your comment on ModdB, and I find it very disrespectful that you said that the team is doing nothing for the community; they already showed us that they did plenty of things for us. You can find examples of that in the ModdB section, so I will not repeat that. You are trying to get those movie models by force, but that won't even help a bit, and it might even have the opposite effect of what we desire: because of your insults to the team, they might even stop considering to put movie models into the mod, and not allow any other fan to do it themselves; as a punishment for being disrespectful to them.

So please I'm asking you for the sake of those awesome movie designs; just wait. The mod is far from finished, and there are always other ways to get the movie designs into the game .

[Gandalf The Gray]

i think it would be better if the new hero is  a goat rider too and gas a leadership for them and some skills that can boost them they are 3 units with ram riders so they have to make a difference

[Fredius]

That's a pretty nice idea, but you must consider that the Ram Riders right now are already a hero unit with their own abilities and leaderships. Buffing them up even more would be a bit too much I think. Furthermore, we already have a hero who can fight both mounted and on foot: Dain.

I would suggest a pike-hero, or a hero with a two-handed weapon, because that's what we are lacking right now. The proposal of KingDain is excellent to me.

[Gandalf The Gray]

i didnt know they have buffs and leaderships so just make a ram rider hero with i dont know unique looking goat with one skill that will work somehow for the ram riders i dont know something like a charge skill of theoden

[Fredius]

Wait sorry, scrap that part of what I said about leadership, they don't have that . They only got some buffs in the form of upgrades and extended visibility, and can call a battalion of Ram Riders to their aid. But still I'm not fond of a hero who can buff up Ram Riders even more.

However, since we are talking about a messenger of Dain, the hero needs to be swift, so a mount would be actually a good option. How about a swift Ram Rider with toggle between bow and mattock? Or is that a bit too much ?

[Gandalf The Gray]

better a crossbow

[LordDainIronfoot]

I ahve to disargee there with you mates!

Giving IHs a Hero who can Toggle between Range and Close Fight is not Balacned comapred to the Other 2 Kingdoms even if t sounds cool! IHs have Ranged Hero as every other Dwarven Kingdom so they need a Normal Close DMG Hero but as I said with Two Handed Weapon!

Narin getting a Ram is not a good idea either!Ram Riders are Semi Heroes so yo uahve that in a way and plus it will take the Uniquenes of Dain being the only dwarven hero as a Lord who has a Mount!!So adding another Mount Dwarven Hero and fans will want that for other heroes too which wilruin the balance and will make the Dwarves to unrealistic knowing that Ridings i not their Speciality!!

I think the Ram Riders are well eoughfor Dwarf Riders

[Fredius]

Allright you got a point in that Dain, I agree. I've looked through your design-proposals, and with the armor shown on those pictures we can make Narin a stealthy messenger with great damage (because of the mattock) but poor armor. This is also something unique within the IH right? Tell me what you think.

[Gandalf The Gray]

what if fili and kili had a goat to ride on ??? i know off topic

[LordDainIronfoot]

Allright you got a point in that Dain, I agree. I've looked through your design-proposals, and with the armor shown on those pictures we can make Narin a stealthy messenger with great damage (because of the mattock) but poor armor. This is also something unique within the IH right? Tell me what you think.

I am glad you agee! Stelthy Dwarf sounds interesting he may be stealthy when he is not Moving,similar to camping and hiding and stuff! The Good DMG with Weak Armor souns good and logical for a Fast not HEavy Armored Messanger indeed and it will be something new in the Hero Weapons of IHs !

what if fili and kili had a goat to ride on ??? i know off topic

Welll in that Case Thorin II too should get a Ram Nah man it will become way to many Dwarf Riders althoug it does sounds like a Fun to ahve Temporarly

[Fredius]

I am glad you agee! Stelthy Dwarf sounds interesting he may be stealthy when he is not Moving,similar to camping and hiding and stuff! The Good DMG with Weak Armor souns good and logical for a Fast not HEavy Armored Messanger indeed and it will be something new in the Hero Weapons of IHs !

Yes that's exactly what I meant.

what if fili and kili had a goat to ride on ??? i know off topic

I believe there was a discussion in the German (or English I don't remember) forums where someone suggested to give every hero a horse or in this case a ram, because they all showed at some point in the movies that they are able to do that.

[LordDainIronfoot]

Giving every Hero a mOunt will ruin the Game Expirience to me!Cuz we will lose good Ablilites then and after all not Every Hero needs a Mount!
But that is different story I suggest end discussing it here!

And I think we should talk about Narin Abilities too,they are quite not good so we should thing of better ones!

[Fredius]

Since he is a messenger, I suggest we give him an ability called "Diplomatic Immunity". Diplomats/messengers are not allowed to be killed, because they are only there to carry a message. The Mouth of Sauron, for example, went to Erebor even though he is the enemy, but because he is just a messenger, he was not killed. I think the same ability can be applied for Narin, for a little while he can go inside the enemy base without being attacked, but he himself can not attack enemies. It's similiar to Sauron's Annathar ability.

[Aule the creator]

Hello mates! Hope you all are good!?

Now with the most recent Updates Edain Team made Iron Hills really unique and strong Dwarven Realm as it should be! But there is a small problem on which as I see on ModDB other Fans agree with me and that is that Iron Hills was left with really small Hero Rooster of 4 Heroes(being Dain,Thorin III,Murin and Drar) although all awesome and firce figters and Heroes I can't help but feel Iron Hills is at big dissadvantage in that part!

Now the New IHs Scout/Cavalry Units is simply briliant so there is no way we could want to  lose that for another Hero,plus I feel the Ram Scouts/Cavalry are very unque Scout System which shouldn't be lost!

And I think adding 2-3 other non canon Heroes is not so good idea on which neither Team nor Fans,nor even I would like or agree or it is not even neccessery! I think that 1 more Hero should be enough to have 5 Good and Well Versed Heroes!

While I really like the new and original idea about Ered Mithrin Outpost and the fact that those Dwarves and tough and strong willed Veterans who do not need a Leader and every one of them is like Hero on his own rights ,i do see a place for a Hero for IHs there BUT not an Ered Mithrin Hero or Leader but rather something else!

In the Hobbit Book there is a mentioning of Dwarven Messanger of Dain with few of his fellow Soldiers!

Trumpets called men and elves to arms. Before long the dwarves could be seen ing up the valley at a great pace. They halted between the river and the eastern spur; but a few held on their way, and crossing the river drew he camp; and there they laid down their ons and held up their hands in sign of peace. Bard went out to meet them, and with him went Bilbo.

“We are sent from Dain son of Nain,” they said wheioned. “We are hastening to our kinsmen in the Mountain, since we learn that the kingdom of old is renewed. But who are you that sit in the plain as foes before defended walls?” This, of course, in the polite and rather old-fashioned language of such occasions, meant simply: “You have no business here. We are going on, so make way or we shall fight you!” They meant to push oween the Mountain and the loop of the river; for the narrow land there did not seem to be strongly guarded.

Bard, of course, refused to allow the dwarves to ght on to the Mountain. He was determio wait until the gold and silver had been brought out in exge for the Arkenstone; for he did not believe that this would be done, if ohe fortress was manned with se and warlike a pany. They had brought with them a great store of supplies; for the dwarves  carry very heavy burdens, and nearly all of Dain’s folk, in spite of their rapid march, bore huge packs on their backs in addition to their ons. They would stand a siege for weeks, and by that time yet more dwarves might e, a more, for Thorin had maives. Also they would be able to reopen and guard some ate, so that the besiegers would have to encircle the whole mountain; and for that they had not suffit numbers.

The Hobbit Chapter 17

And we had based on him our Previous Idea about IHs Scout and called him Narin but with the Ram Scouts he is no longer needed so we can sue him here,the name of course can be changes as everything in this concept!

Now Narin can be the Messanger that Dain send to Ered Mithrin to ask for Aid or just to join Dain in some upcoming Battle! This way Narin will not be Ered Mithrin Hero but an IHs One an eh can be recruited from the Outpost as Messanger of Dain who has come back with the Reainforcments from Ered Mithrin!

He can have one of the following Designs...

I suggest that he should use some Two Handed Weapon since currently none of IHs Heroes use one and will make unique among them!
Here are few Weapons I think will be good...

Now for his Abilities!

LV 1 - Messanger of the Iron Hills/Dain (Passive Ability)
"Narin get's 25% Speed Boost hurrying to deliver Dain's Message"

LV 5 - Narin's Company
"Narins Summons briefly for 20-30 Seconds 4 of his Companions to help him fight his way and deliver the Message"

LV 10 - "Threat for War"
"Narin threatens all foes before him who try to stop him from reaching his Goal.(Enemies near Narin get Fear Effect and lose 15-20% DMG for 20-30 Seconds)"

Now the Abilites are not so good I admit but I couldn't come up with anything better for now! 
So all feedback and ideas about Narin in any way Design,Abilities and etc. are most Welcome!Lets have a great discussion and decide the future of IHs,should they get or not 1 New Hero and if yes let's choose a worthy one to be that Hero!

Greetings and best Regards!Have a great Day Edain Companions!

dain some of these images would really be nice for those six heroes like gror, nain, fror, nar. thrain ll and thror can have image of movie 

[LordDainIronfoot]

Since he is a messenger, I suggest we give him an ability called "Diplomatic Immunity". Diplomats/messengers are not allowed to be killed, because they are only there to carry a message. The Mouth of Sauron, for example, went to Erebor even though he is the enemy, but because he is just a messenger, he was not killed. I think the same ability can be applied for Narin, for a little while he can go inside the enemy base without being attacked, but he himself can not attack enemies. It's similiar to Sauron's Annathar ability.

Sounds really interesting and Unique for Edain! And it wil lbe cool to use in Game! Should it be his LV 1 Ability!?