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The_Necromancer0:
The recruitment priority is not something that can be changed sadly.

1). I agree

2). I would be interested to know more about the context of the game in which you saw this happen. In my isolated test, both the Ent and Treebeard won when their fight against a troll. The troll only managed to win when it out levelled them.

Birds:
1) Not Trampeling trees would be nice, though i don't see it as a big problem.

2) As Mordor it can be tricky to counter ents, since orc pikes arent upgraded and you almost never see firearrows. Making it more difficult for trolls to fight them doesn't make much sense to me.

Éomer Éadig:

--- Zitat von: The_Necromancer0 am 11. Feb 2021, 09:47 ---The recruitment priority is not something that can be changed sadly.

1). I agree

2). I would be interested to know more about the context of the game in which you saw this happen. In my isolated test, both the Ent and Treebeard won when their fight against a troll. The troll only managed to win when it out levelled them.

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I have now checked the 1v1 of an ent and an unarmoured troll and indeed, the ent did win it with just  a sliver of health left. It seems that I did not test extensively enough before, apologies.

I do still believe that an ent should have a larger advantage though, since recruiting one requires you to first build an ent moot on a settlement, which is harder to defend and maintain (cost: 700), recruit Treebeard (cost:2000) and then the ent itself (cost:1200), whereas getting a troll for Mordor requires a troll cage (in the base, cost: 800) and then a troll itself (cost: 800, possibly lower with slaughterhouses). Add to that the fact that a troll is a lot faster as well, and I feel like it should not be such a close fight. Lore-wise, an ent should also be a lot stronger.

I have not tested an ent against an armoured troll yet, but I do believe that the troll would win that handily. As for Mordor's counters against ents, I believe two orc pikes should suffice, no?

Greetings,
Éomer Éadig

Smeargollum:
You are right that trolls should get demolished by ents from a lore point of view, but I do have to agree with Birds that it would be really hard to counter ents effectively without trolls. Even though against a single ent "two orc pikes should suffice" it is a completely different story when the ent is not alone but brought either some other ent friends or just some normal Lorien swords and pikes. Generally single units get way harder to kill when there are more of them as they can cover each other’s back and stop the pikes from surrounding them. So, you either need really strong pikes or archers with upgrades, which are both lacking for Mordor in most cases, or you need strong single units that can take an Ent head on, like trolls, to counter them.

However, it could be a nice touch if the Ent heroes would be able to knock down trolls, as you suggested, but I think for the normal ents it would be too strong, because the main role of ents is not to be a strong fighting unit but a siege unit.

Another option would be to give the ents an active ability that can knockdown trolls or even heroes for a short period of time.

Halbarad:

--- Zitat ---Another option would be to give the ents an active ability that can knockdown trolls or even heroes for a short period of time.

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I like the idea, it could also be part of a leadership from Treebeard for Ents and Quickbeam (excluding Ash Ents of course).

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