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OakenShield224:
From a gameplay point of view, I really like this idea Aule! It fits with the main ideas of a Nazgul while adding some uniqueness that comes with Harad. The main obstacle to do with this would be whether the Team would wish to have the Nazgul in another faction (especially when all 9 are currently in Mordor). That's up to them though. I see you have thought about the lore context of the hero.

I do have one question and one suggestion about the proposal. Firstly, would the effects of Cursed Spear be permanent?

My suggestion concerns the Burning Sand ability. Currently, it seems like you cast it on an area and that area then gets affected. One ability could be that it acts as an enhancement to the Plaguing Aura ability. So you'd activate Burning Sand and the area around the Nazgul would be affected (along with any enemies in that area). If the Nazgul then moves while the ability is active, the corrupted area would follow the Nazgul. It would act as a trail, so it would be left behind for a few seconds and then disappear once the Nazgul has moved away. I don't know if this is technically possible but I hope that you like the idea.

dkbluewizard:
Well Aule, the ideas are great. But if you're going from a lore standpoint which I think is the reason why you included the names for these nazgul--it says that Herumor and Fuinur rose to power AFTER the downfall of Numenor. How could they be nazgul then?

Sorry to be a thorn. But that is what it says unfortunately. I really like the idea. If no one cares about that then lead on!

Oh because the nazgul appear in 2251 Appendix B in the Return of the King. Herumor and his brother are later.

AulëTheSmith:
Oak: sorry for the late answer man. You are right is up to them implementing or not Nazguls externally to Mordor. But I would like to see something I propose because it cuold give some pernsonality and characterization to another wraith. The theme of origin of the nine intrigues me, with all the mystery around it.

Dkblue: you're actually right I misplace the first appearance of the Nazguls. I should revise the lore part of the work.
 In fact another interesting point about Harad is the Melkor adoration/dark cult. I thought also to revolve my character around this theme before connecting him to Heromur. He could be an ancient chieftain of Harad (a precursor of Herumor and his brother), who devolve himself to the cult of Morgoth. No information are given about any line of Haradrim kings in the lore.

Garlodur:
Interesting concept Aulë!

Though I must agree with dkbluewizard; according to the lore these two figures among the Haradrim only rose to power after the Nazgul were created. You could twist it to say that they were Nazgul in disguise but I don't quite follow that line of thought. It would suggest that, much like the Witch-King, these figures should have been capable of establishing a realm of divided peoples to counter the might of Gondor. Yet the Annals indicate that Gondor was pestered often, never as near to destruction as Arnor: at least of the hands of these two.

Still, you touch upon a topic I am also still struggling to incorporate in my concept above. Perhaps you would like to shed a closer look upon this proposal, although I have been working quite a bit on improving it and bringing points together.

The main topic of confusion for me is Khamul. I want to simultaneously implement him as the central figure of the faction that unites the Men of Darkness for good, and have him play most of his part through influencing other leaders, seeing him as more of a lieutenant (literally 'place-holder') of Sauron. The reason for my suggesting is that Khamul could not have always been amongst the Easterling, Haradrim, Corsairs, Black Numenoreans, Variag etc. because he was also an agent of the Dark Lord's 'secret' service. Most notably is the period between TA 2951 and TA 3018 during which he was stationed in Dol Guldur.

I conclude that the most feasible way of influencing the Men of Darkness was through an established cult, either towards Sauron or Morgoth. Perhaps Khamul was more like a pope is to christianity, or maybe he was more akin in his ways to Annatar, ultimately guiding Haradrim and Easterling leaders to the same fate as Ar-Pharazon the Golden. Or perhaps Khamul reclaimed his former position as king of Easterlings and extended his reign over all Men of the East and South, forming a massive empire or a 'union of republics'

I always appreciate your thoughts
Garlodur

dkbluewizard:
Aule, your ideas are perfect. Just make up a name or go with one of the other nazgul. It would still work.

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