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Azog The Defiler:
Glad to hear you liked something of it:DD

But i made a few changes for the concept, perhaps a little bit more resonable, now nothing changes for the ones who already liked the faction, but for those wanting a little bit more hobbit would get their minds blown!:)

Melkor Bauglir:

--- Zitat ---Yes in the movie it was Moria orcs that gathered in Dol Guldur, and probably from other parts also. Gandalf talks about the army as "ranks and ranks of moria orcs".
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Which makes me believe PJ actually completely forget the first trilogy, because it makes absolutely no sense, considering the Moria orcs looked like how orcs / goblins are supposed to look (small & degenerated) and not like the 3m high, battle-crazy, hulking behemoths of the Hobbit. 8-|

And calling most these trolls "epic" is something I couldn't agree less. The first step in the creative process of creating these trolls probably was something like: "Well, we have some special effects budget left. OK, these trolls look just too realistic. Well, first let's increase the size of the trolls by 20... no, that's too small... ok, 100%." And so, the BotFA trolls came into this world. :D
This of course doesn't apply to the normal armored trolls of the Hobbit, they looked fine. But things like the Trolltapult or the Battering Troll were all scenes when I was just laughing hysterically in the cinema.

However speaking from a gameplay sense: Mordor has already the biggest roster of troops of all the factions. So what's the point in adding more trolls? I remember that way back in the past when Edain was massively more random, Mordor had a total of 5 different types of trolls, 3 of them were mostly the same. There is a reason why the ET was able to tune it down to 2 trolls without actually losing something gameplay wise.
Also historically, that's what Mordor is... ;) Shoehorning Sauron and Dol Guldur into the main antagonists of the Hobbit was already dumb enough as it is (because it opens a whole new meaning to the term "bad planning"). It also means that it wasn't Mordor which attacked in the BotFA, so design Mordor according to something, that isn't Mordor? The orc models are an exception to this because the Misty Mountains already have a Gundabad design, Dol Guldurs design is of course unknown, so these orc models were basically just lying around.


Greetings
Melkor Bauglir

Azog The Defiler:
Well the only "new" troll unit would be the siege trolls and they would only be if you chose Dol Guldur in the beginning of the game to add a litle bit more "hobbit" into your gameplay.
The other armored trolls is just a different design your trolls get as you choose your theme in the beginning of the game.

And the trolls would be normal sized, as i stated in the begining, bringing only the good stuff from the hobbit:D

And Dol Guldur launched an attack on the Elves at practically the same time Minas Morgul launched their attack on Minas Tirith, there is just no material of that. But the orcs and trolls probably had a very different armor there than in the regions close to Mordor.

Also fun fact, i think PJ mentioned at some time that he had no idea what he was doing when he did the Hobbit movies..:D The lotr trilogy he planned for several years before he made it, so that probably why he fcked up so badly.

Hamanathnath:
Before I go into my opinion on this idea, I would like to say that I'm pretty sure it is impossible to have different spellbooks for subfaction (which is why all 3 Dwarven Subfactions have the same Spellbook powers).

I do like a lot of the ideas suggested, but I'm not a fan of the major idea of changing Mordor like this.  However, it would be cool to see some of these elements added to the Misty Mountains faction itself.  Maybe a Spellbook that allows the faction to summon Dol Guldur orcs and/or Siege Trolls would be pretty cool.

Also, I do agree that the Dol Guldur outpost is overshadowed by the Minas Morgul outpost, because Heavy Armour for orcs is just a more useful upgrade then the Poison Blades in my opinion.  However, I don't really see a way to change this without just adding more units to Dol Guldur or weakening the Minas Morgul orcs, both of which I strongly don't want to happen. 

I do like the ideas presents here though, and would love to see some of them expanded on. 

Yeah, after I really think about it, Sauron summoning Moria orcs to attack Erebor from Dol Guldur in PJ's Hobbit Trilogy doesn't really make much sense, especially since they look NOTHING like they do in the Lotr Trilogy.   

Walküre:

--- Zitat von: Hamanathnath am 16. Feb 2016, 14:14 ---Before I go into my opinion on this idea, I would like to say that I'm pretty sure it is impossible to have different spellbooks for subfaction (which is why all 3 Dwarven Subfactions have the same Spellbook powers).

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Correct.

It's the main reason why Arnor couldn't be implemented with that switching/subfaction system as well, along with other conceptual reasons.
It's a technical issue that can't be overcome.

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