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The History of the Noldor

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Walküre:
Well, I didn't expect you would have dealt with so precise and structured technicalities in what-if battle scenarios  :P
Anyway, with all the respect you know I have for our heroic Elven Lords, I still think a Vala – especially Morgoth who was originally the mightiest Vala – would win everyone of them.
And I agree with you, the Valar are definitely on another level even compared to the People they rule over, the Maiar.

Túrin is a kind of not conventional option, if I can say so, defined by particular elements.
A prophecy about the End of Arda, an Ultimate Battle and Melkor and all his servants at full strength...
Definitely not the usual scenario we have experience of  xD

VectorMaximus:
Fair enough Walk, fair enough. :D

On Turin, even if the scenario is completely out of the ordinary, which I absolutely agreed with you on, I just had to throw it in to contradict your statement that no man could kill a Vala. :P

Also, about thinking so much about the technicalities of the battle scenario... Welcome to my mind, its a very scary place. [uglybunti]

Walküre:

--- Zitat von: VectorMaximus am 21. Feb 2016, 00:30 ---Also, about thinking so much about the technicalities of the battle scenario... Welcome to my mind, its a very scary place. [uglybunti]

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You are in the right place, then, to develop your creativity  :P

Besides, what do you think about the choice of Fëanor of calling as witnesses to his Oath the two mightiest Valar, Manwë and Varda, King and Queen of Arda?
Am I the only one who regards it also as a sort of provocation?

The Oath itself is full of pure hatred and madness, I would say.
Fëanor openly admits he would even go against and kill anyone who opposes him, regardless of the fact that he could violate the authority of Valinor or kill innocent people (as he actually did).

Adamin:

--- Zitat von: VectorMaximus am 20. Feb 2016, 20:33 ---Morgoth eventually becomes so weak, spreading out his powers, that he cannot change form any longer, and his body cannot heal.
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I think that is the critical point in your thinking VectorMaximus.
During the Ruin of Beleriand Morgoths power was dispersed in his minions and all evil in Middleearth. He was diminished, not only unable to change his phyical body, but also unable to heal it. Thus he was bound to his body in a way that no other Vala ever was. And he was pretty beaten up after the duel with Fingolfin: Seven sword wounds, one stabbed foot, and a scratched up face.


--- Zitat von: The Silmarillion, Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin ---Morgoth went ever halt of one foot after that day, and the pain of his wounds could not be healed; and in his face was the scar that Thorondor made.
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Not to mention the ever burning Silmarils on his head. So I'd say it's totally possible that a super team of the mightiest Eldar might have been able to defeat Morgoth and kill him (or rather his body) during that time.
After all, something similar happened some thousand years later, when Sauron was defeated and killed in combat by a team of the then mightiest Heroes (Gil-Galad, Elendil, Elrond, Cirdan, Isildur).

The only problem with that would have been the aforementioned Oath of Fëanor. Because of its boundlessness to go against anybody who could claim the Silmarils, the Noldor could have never trusted each other far enough to form such a team.

But I think we better should talk about this as soon as you arrive at those points of the history in your summary VectorMaximus. ^^

calsash:
That was a very interesting read Vector :)

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