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Aragorn and Gandalf the Grey improvements

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Saeros:
Since there is so much talk about Aragorn, I'll make my proposal too..
In the Arnor faction there is a hero recruitablr from the ranger tent (can't remember his name now sorry).
The player gets to decide what his path will be followed, the ranger, or the king path.
Why not apply this to Aragorn also?
The ranger path will contribute mainly in his hero- killer role, with a supportive ability and the king path will contribute mainly in his supprotive role, with Anduril (his most iconic ability)
The abilities of each path should be as DrHouse93 had in mind and presented, with some small changes , because as I stated before some of them althogh not so OP in first place, if they will stack with the rest awsome leaderships of Gondor will make it invincible.

P.S leave Faramir alone he is one of my fav characters, don't mess with him  :P

Hamanathnath:
I was going to edit my original post, but this post will be very long and I don't want to add an edit that's longer then the post itself.   :D

Gandalf the Grey:  I am against the changes presented for Gandalf.  I find Battle of the Maiar to be a very cool concept, but extremely not gameplay friendly.  What I mean by that is to get Gandalf the White, you gotta get Gandalf away from enemies, and fight a Battle that will most likely talk all your attention.  The enemy could use this opportunity to attack your other forces or your base, and they will have the advantage because your focused on Gandalf and the Balrog.  And if you take your focus away from them to deal with your enemy, there is a chance Gandalf is killed by the Balrog.  Over all, this would be way too complicated to handle.  As cool as seeing an ability like this would be, it would just be too much for the Gondor player to do.  And even if you do win, Gandalf dies and you have to wait for him to come back, which put you at a disadvantage of not having Gandalf available for a long time.

I would like to see Gandalf the White to have some sort of Leadership with Fear Resistance or a Debuff Nullifier, but other than that, I would say Gandalf is fine.

Aragorn 1.2: I do like the changes to better then the other, but I still have some concerns.  The main one is that Aragorn having that sort of Leadership would make Gondor too powerful.  Boromir is the only one that can give units a bonus of Armour.  Denethor's Promotion also give the groups of the improved banner carriers more Armour.  And if you think that is still not that much, you must realize that Tower Guards already are insanely hard to kill once they are upgraded.  Making Aragorn that leadership would make Tower Guards pretty much Unkillable.  And that's not even taking into consideration that Final Stand will make them also incredibly strong.  It's just too much.

I do like Charge, but I don't exactly know why it isn't just added in with Final Stand.  There isn't a reason not to use it with Final Stand, so adding them together would just make it more convenient.  And I think that Final Stand should also be able to be used Unmounted, and Elendil should be a mounted skill.  The reason for this is that Aragorn yelling Elendil would most likely take more of an effect if he is higher up, becuase the enemy would be able to see it better, and would be able to realize that Aragorn wields Anduril. 

I do like the ability Decapitation, though the passive buff to Aragorn seems kinda pointless.  But I do think that maybe, if Decapitation kills the target, nearby enemies would be likely to cower, showing that they are in fear of how their hero was killed.

I do like how much effort you put into thinking about this topic.  :)

Elite KryPtik:
I am still completely against any changes to Gandalf, his abilities are far too iconic. The only acceptable one in my view is that he receives a nazgul debuff nullifier without an ability if it can be done in game. I would like to point out that Gandalf has a leadership in bfme2 that doesn't have a button, you can see units light up when you walk him near them, here is the information.
http://www.gamereplays.org/battleformiddleearth21.08/portals.php?show=index&name=men-unit-info-angelsfan&tab=7261360

As for Aragorn, I like your concept, but the problem here is that the abilities are so insanely powerful. As has been said, Gondor already has 2 leaderships from Boromir and Faramir, adding Aragorn on top of those 2 passive will make your army unkillable unless its debuffed, and it just isn't necessary for Aragorn to have a passive leadership. For Final Stand, its far too strong of an ability, and basically a copy of Thorin Oakenshields Gleam of the Arkenstone. Making all nearby heroes invulnerable in addition to those unit buffs is stupidly strong for a single ability.

I just don't think he needs a complete overhaul, that's asking for far too much from the team and its very unlikely to happen in my view. Just a couple changes, like replacing Demand of the King with a final stand type ability, or letting him use it 1 time and then replacing it, and maybe making the passive at level 10 a little bit better by allowing units of the fiefdoms to be recruited at the barracks or something, without making it a direct leadership.

Hamanathnath:

--- Zitat von: Elite KryPtik am 30. Mär 2016, 18:15 ---I just don't think he needs a complete overhaul, that's asking for far too much from the team and its very unlikely to happen in my view. Just a couple changes, like replacing Demand of the King with a final stand type ability, or letting him use it 1 time and then replacing it, and maybe making the passive at level 10 a little bit better by allowing units of the fiefdoms to be recruited at the barracks or something, without making it a direct leadership.

--- Ende Zitat ---
Yeah, just to clarify, if the team were to leave Aragorn the way he is right now, It would be perfectly fine.  He is already a very useful hero.  If there is one change I would want, it would be making Demand of the King a 1 time use, and replace it with a "Final Stand" ability.  But I do like Aragorn the way he is now. 

DrHouse93:
I have to disagree with you, guys. Aragorn is certainly a useful hero, but he becomes less powerful and efficient at level 7, when he becomes the Heir. I mean, as much as I like his Brego ability, what is its purpose? Even compared to other hero killers, Celeborn at level 7 gains the Squall ability, which protects him by arrows and nearby enemy units, Eowyn gains the Shieldmaiden ability, which decreases the damage taken by heroes and even more the damage taken by enemy units. What about Aragorn? He gains a mount ._.
So, while I'd not wish to see his Brego skill gone, I think it must be atleast more useful than granting Aragorn more speed movement. Furthermore, I think that his role as a leader and only hope for the survival of Men isn't shown at its best

That's why I'd like to see it changed a little. From a technical point of view, his leadership will just give a small armor boost, which, combined with Boromir's one, is still inferior to  the damage boost granted by Faramir + Dol Amroth soldiers (+75% damage against +63% armor) and will mainly affect units not bulky enough (such as Dol Amroth soldiers). It's true that Tower Guards will be much more resilient, but right now there are a lot of ways to counter them (Freezing Rain, all the Mordor debuffs, or even heavily armored Uruk-Swordsmen with the sword upgrade from the Steelwork and buffed by Lurtz. Not to mention the Dwarves elite units)

Finally, the Final Stand ability will give yes a powerful boost, but just for 20 seconds (I was inspired by Theoden's Glorious Charge for the effects). Furthermore, Aragorn's hero killing skills are disabled during the effect and will have to reload when it ends (forgot to mention that in the main post, I will fix it). This will make the player to choose: does he need a powerful but temporary boost for his troops, or does he need Aragorn at his full potential?

On the other hand, I agree with you about the Demand of the King ability. I think it's a bit repetitive, since Ghosts are already present on the spellbook

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