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Angmar Balance Discussion

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Odysseus:

--- Zitat ---I think people is worried about how good is him as mass slayer and comparing him with other mass slayers ( Saruman, gandalf, Gimli..) and supposed ones ( Murin, Eomer..) he is way better than them and also has a secondary role as heroslayer thx to his great dmg with low health. I think Wizards shopuld be much more tanky, as well Gimli and Murin/Eomer get some abilities to be at his lvl. Increase the usefullness of Mass slayers would be a good way to encourage players to use them.
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+1 to you, good sir.

Hamanathnath:

--- Zitat von: Draco100000 am  5. Mai 2016, 18:08 ---I think people is worried about how good is him as mass slayer and comparing him with other mass slayers ( Saruman, gandalf, Gimli..) and supposed ones ( Murin, Eomer..) he is way better than them and also has a secondary role as heroslayer thx to his great dmg with low health. I think Wizards shopuld be much more tanky, as well Gimli and Murin/Eomer get some abilities to be at his lvl. Increase the usefullness of Mass slayers would be a good way to encourage players to use them.

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The problem is if we buff Mass Slayers armor, then they will pretty much become better Tanks.  Zafragor is incredibly overpowered right now because he can fulfill the Role of Tank, Mass Slayer, and Hero Killer at the same time.  There is a serious problem when Zafragor can beat out pretty much any other hero, as well as take forever to kill, even when Hero Killers are attacking him.

And people use pretty much all of these heroes.  Gimli, Murin, Dwalin, Zafragor, and too a lesser extent Legolas, Eomer, and Saruman are usually bought by most players.  The only ones I rarely see are Gandalf and Mollock, and this is because these 2 are such a big risk to lose that people don't bother.  I didn't include Saruman because at least he has his Wizard's Tower.  And both Mollock and Gandalf have had plenty of feedback on how they can be more worth the risk you take to get them.

Elite KryPtik:
Yes, the problem rests sole on the shoulders of Zaphragor and the way he is set up. Honestly, considering how huge the hero roster of Angmar already is, it may be a good idea to just remove him. (BURN THE HERETIC FOR SUGGESTING WE REMOVE ANGMARS COOLEST HERO!) Wait! Think about it, Angmar already has 2 great hero killers, Durmarth and Karsh, a great tank, Karsh/Witch King, and 2 great mass slayers, Helegwen and Witch King. Most of their heroes also have overlapping roles. I think rather than nerfing Zaphragor into oblivion it may just be better and more efficient to remove him.

I think the only way to properly fix the problems centered around Zaphragor while keeping him in the game would be to either completely overhaul his entire ability set, or to make him an optional "leader" type hero, alongside the Witch King. So, you can either make him or the Witch King, but not have both on the field at the same time. This would solve the problem of him (significantly) overshadowing the Witch King as an all round better hero.

-DJANGO-:
Agree with Haman. I dont see any reason to buff the Armor of Mass Slayer Heros.
Gandalf and Saruman have once lvled slightly up with their first magic attacks they have a good amor. It is really not difficult to lvl them up to 10.
Regarding Zaphragor: In the following im gone make me a lot of enemies and im already sry for the people who out their work&time in this hero, but its my opinion. Zaphragor is the Hero i hate the most in Edain. Yes his mechanism is cool but thats the only think i like of him. His Position, Role and Design dont fit into the Tolkien-Angmar. With his abilities he outshines the Witchking enormously. Say so: Zaphragor is the Gandalf of Angmar. The attack mechanism of his first ability is also different than the magic blasts of the Saruma&Gandalf. It deals damage to the hole surrounding of the hero, not only infront of him. That makes the attack better than magic blasts, its like a small "word of power" :P.
Now like Haman said his nice mechanism to get stronger melee when dying puts him into more Hero positions than just a mass slayer. That double role of Angmar Heros, not only Zaphragor, is a serious problem in my eyes.
Last but not least the cooldowns of his abilities are a joke.

My opinion is to cancel this hero, Angmar does not need a mass slayer Hero like Zaphragor, they already got the Witchking with Mass-Slayer Attack Moves, they got wraiths, they got Werewolves, they got Witchers
Instead: rework the Witchking of Angmar and give him an extraordinary Role in his faction: Keep his Mass-Slayer Attack Moves, give him some outstanding lvl. 10 Ability: Should not necessarily be the "Word of Power of Angmar" from Zaphragor. Maybe something "Tolkienish": Remember maybe the at the battle of Fornost, the scene with Earnur and his horse. Yes Glorfindel banished him, but what about an ability with special effects against Mankind? That would emphasize the history of both factions, especially summoned in such an important figure.

Hamanathnath:

--- Zitat von: Elite KryPtik am  6. Mai 2016, 16:42 ---Yes, the problem rests sole on the shoulders of Zaphragor and the way he is set up. Honestly, considering how huge the hero roster of Angmar already is, it may be a good idea to just remove him. (BURN THE HERETIC FOR SUGGESTING WE REMOVE ANGMARS COOLEST HERO!) Wait! Think about it, Angmar already has 2 great hero killers, Durmarth and Karsh, a great tank, Karsh/Witch King, and 2 great mass slayers, Helegwen and Witch King. Most of their heroes also have overlapping roles. I think rather than nerfing Zaphragor into oblivion it may just be better and more efficient to remove him.

I think the only way to properly fix the problems centered around Zaphragor while keeping him in the game would be to either completely overhaul his entire ability set, or to make him an optional "leader" type hero, alongside the Witch King. So, you can either make him or the Witch King, but not have both on the field at the same time. This would solve the problem of him (significantly) overshadowing the Witch King as an all round better hero.

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Or his armor could just be lowered to that of normal heroes.....

That is really all that needs to happen because his Damage Output is fine, at least in my opinion.  The reason why he is also a great Hero Killer and Tank right now is because of his armor.  His abilities also might need to be a bit longer.

@-DJANGO-: I think that balancing him before we say that he needs to be removed would be a better idea.  With the Lower Armor and Increased Cooldowns, I think that he will be a lot more fair of a Hero, as well as give more purpose for the Witch-King.

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