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Elite KryPtik:
We could use a similar system to Imladris, where we have say The Defiler pick up the Ring and spawn Smaug from it. Another idea might be to make the Ring Hero the Balrog and make Smaug an ultimate power, this would make a bit more sense IMO, because the Balrog at least is in the same area as Moria, whereas Smaug is half a world away and never directly associates with the gobbos.

Julio229:
I think Smaug should be part of the main Heroes of the faction, though with requirements to get to him that reflect his greedy character and that he is not part of the Goblin Army at all. He fits being the Ring Hero, but I don't feel like he should be only recruitable by achieving it.

Fredius:

--- Zitat von: DieWalküre am 10. Sep 2016, 01:47 ---[...]each hero will be recruitable in its respective corresponding subfaction.

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No, all heroes are recruitable in the citadels of the three Goblin factions. However Tom, Bert and Bill are only recruitable from the cavetroll lair which the player can build on the settlement plots.

I personally love the idea of Smaug having a few conditions before he can be built, so I agree with Julio about this. Smaug never would never fight for someone else, unless it benefits him, so I think the player should really make sacrifices in the form of offering units, money, etc., and building certain buildings, to please Smaug, and ultimately enable him for recruitment.

Furthermore, I just hope the Gundabad Orcs can get this armor as their Heavy Armor upgrade, together with the corresponding weapons:

Julio229:
I love that armor concept!

Personally, I envision Misty Mountains as a faction based in uniting an army under one banner instead of them always being under that banner. I mean, I like the idea of uniting a great army (like The Defiler had) with so many variety of troops, unifying the Orcs of the Misty Mountains, how all of the evil of the north was united marching against the forces of good under one banner... I think Smaug having requirements further helps that feeling, as you will just not be recruiting it, but having to lure him with requirements to make him help you, as you have to do with Goblintown and Gundabad, making tunnels for them instead of being readily available. I don't know, Misty Mountains always gave me that "Have to unite the Misty Mountains' Orcs to win" feeling.

Walküre:

--- Zitat von: Fredius am 10. Sep 2016, 13:58 ---No, all heroes are recruitable in the citadels of the three Goblin factions. However Tom, Bert and Bill are only recruitable from the cavetroll lair which the player can build on the settlement plots.

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Thank you for the clarification  :)


--- Zitat von: Elite KryPtik am 10. Sep 2016, 13:08 ---We could use a similar system to Imladris, where we have say The Defiler pick up the Ring and spawn Smaug from it. Another idea might be to make the Ring Hero the Balrog and make Smaug an ultimate power, this would make a bit more sense IMO, because the Balrog at least is in the same area as Moria, whereas Smaug is half a world away and never directly associates with the gobbos.

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The Balrog had better remain a spellbook feature, in my opinion; that's the perfect implementation in the game as it suits his very situational nature (situational as his appearance in LOTR) and prevents his whole potential from being unjustly underpowered, should he be made an ordinary hero or a nonetheless stable Ring hero (it would really be a pity seeing him underperform even slightly, compared to his usual standards). Also, the implementation via the spellbook has always been enough effective and iconic since the very first BFME1.

I wouldn't really see the Imladris system fitting for this context either: the fact is that I don't really mind Smaug being an ordinary hero of the faction, because his presence ties together the whole Hobbit atmosphere underlying everything and he's objectively the most awaited character by the Edain Community. What I believe should be the right path to stick to is exactly trying to come up with some restrictions or different mechanics, enabling him to act normally in the Misty Mountains environment while being quite detached from the Goblins' structured design and military leadership. He would thus truly be an unpredictable destructive weapon.

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