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Autor Thema: The White Council: Discussion and Feedback  (Gelesen 4428 mal)

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Re: The White Council: Discussion and Feedback
« Antwort #15 am: 30. Jan 2017, 12:15 »
*mind controls everyone* Done.  :P

I'm looking forward to a more heated debate, although I'll have to do my best to keep my text to the same standards. Perhaps, I shall try to digress with memories of Valinor, it could be interesting although the result is not guaranteed  :D.
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Re: The White Council: Discussion and Feedback
« Antwort #16 am: 30. Jan 2017, 14:44 »
Necro, in my own opinion, digressions concerning Valinor are a bit inappropriate for the general tone of these events. Not just in regards of Saruman, but for all the other characters as well. In particular, haven't the Istari had their memories of Aman almost entirely concealed within their own mind, so that they would not have made usage of them to acquire more power? If I were to explore some digressions with Saruman, I would opt for his obsession with the Rings of Power. Anyway, this is just an advice of mine.

Don't worry about the comments. The point of the second meeting is exactly to recreate a very heated discussion, comprising thus shorter answers (unless one member is to tell a certain story, as Gandalf). Therefore, I guess we won't focus on high-tone phrasing, but rather on impactful contributions  :)

I want all of them to argue  :D

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Re: The White Council: Discussion and Feedback
« Antwort #17 am: 9. Feb 2017, 01:06 »
With your consent, I will insert another smaller digression and then the official meeting will officially start.

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Re: The White Council: Discussion and Feedback
« Antwort #18 am: 9. Feb 2017, 05:48 »
Sure, go ahead :)

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Re: The White Council: Discussion and Feedback
« Antwort #19 am: 9. Feb 2017, 23:42 »
For the sake of the narration, if Vector is not able yet to join us, each of us could momentarily take the role of Elrond, provided that we maintain a coherent idea. The quite neutral behaviour of the Lord of Imladris, as the moderator of the meeting, will surely help.

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Re: The White Council: Discussion and Feedback
« Antwort #20 am: 15. Feb 2017, 09:13 »
I'm a bit unsure of when and where the second session is, time- and space-related. The latest interlude took place in Lothlórien; is the setting switching back to Rivendell now? Just wanting to make sure I understand correctly what the plan is.

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Re: The White Council: Discussion and Feedback
« Antwort #21 am: 15. Feb 2017, 10:01 »
Yes, that was the second digression I had planned. Galadriel was riding to Rivendell with her escort (to attend the meeting), whereas Celeborn remained in Lórien and endeavoured to organise the defences (in case of a sudden attack in the Lady's absence). I will open the meeting later in the evening.

Instead of an open-air setting, I pictured the council taking place in Elrond's residence (indoor), each of the participants being in front of one another around a banquet-like rectangular table. The weather is supposed to be quite stormy (or, probably more fitting for Rivendell, it could also be a calm yet rainy night), in order to indicate the gravity of the situation and the general anxious mood which is pervasive among the Wise; not to mention the bitterness of the debate that is soon to occur.

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Re: The White Council: Discussion and Feedback
« Antwort #22 am: 16. Feb 2017, 00:57 »
I apologise. I just finished my weekly university classes today and had to reply to other posts this evening. I didn't manage to open the second meeting. As I have spare time these days, I will settle the game tomorrow and focus on its initial development  :)

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Re: The White Council: Discussion and Feedback
« Antwort #23 am: 20. Feb 2017, 11:20 »
One question: does Saruman know that Gandalf is the bearer of Narya? One of my intentions is also to explore what could be an interesting aspect; that is, Gandalf didn't tell the whole story to Saruman. Not only was he chased down in the dungeons of Dol Guldur, but he also had to withstand a direct confrontation with the formless shadow-like Sauron, similarly to how they contested each other in DOS. Gandalf then succeeded in warding off the darkness, particularly with the help that Narya provided (strengthening endurance). Therefore, only Gandalf and Galadriel are the ones who do have knowledge of the exact events. What if they had decided to report just a part of the tale, lest Saruman know the actual identity of the mysterious bearer of the Ring of Fire? A riddle the White Wizard had often struggled to solve.

What do you make of this spin?

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Re: The White Council: Discussion and Feedback
« Antwort #24 am: 20. Feb 2017, 11:50 »
Apparently the Unfinished Tales mention that the "White Messenger" (Saruman) became aware of Narya at some point, but no precise time is given. I'm looking forward to contributing to this continuation even if I have been a bit short on time recently. Playing as Saruman is really thrilling. No matter what is decided on the matter of the Narya, Saruman can be played either way.
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Re: The White Council: Discussion and Feedback
« Antwort #25 am: 20. Feb 2017, 14:42 »
With your consent, I would opt for Saruman being unaware of the identity of whom bears Narya. He surely knows the generalities of the Three Rings' properties, but he still doesn't have knowledge of the actual fate of these artefacts. If he can easily guess those who wield Nenya and Vilya, the individual-centred nature of the Ring of Fire certainly makes it more difficult to determine Narya's vicissitudes in the course of numerous centuries. I also think that this aspect of the narration might represent Gandalf's and Galadriel's distrust towards Saruman in better terms; specifically, they worry about his eager interest in the forgotten lore of the Rings of Power.

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Re: The White Council: Discussion and Feedback
« Antwort #26 am: 20. Feb 2017, 15:09 »
So be it. I've already started writing my piece with Saruman unaware, so I'm fine with keeping it this way.
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Re: The White Council: Discussion and Feedback
« Antwort #27 am: 20. Feb 2017, 15:10 »
I wrote my text with that assumption in mind (Saruman not being aware of Narya's true wielder); I hope I did not misinterpret anything I said in Gandalf's report.

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Re: The White Council: Discussion and Feedback
« Antwort #28 am: 23. Feb 2017, 21:21 »
Just to hint at a possible aspect to develop, I remember reading that the White Council had been believing for long time that the dark presence in Dol Guldur might have been one of the Nazgûl, if not the very Witch-king, until the discovery of Gandalf. I guess it would be interesting if Saruman tried to advocate that thesis again, in order to dissuade the other attendees' propositions.

Not to mention that the involvement of the Witch-king in the debate could give Elrond a chance to reminisce his memories of the wars against Angmar. In this case, I suppose, someone more versed than me in the lore of Arnor might be happy to give insightful contributions  :)

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Re: The White Council: Discussion and Feedback
« Antwort #29 am: 5. Mär 2017, 22:42 »
2 small things about the POV I just posted:
1. Sorry if the ending feels a bit cheap, I've run out of actual arguments.

2. I'm leaving it open ended, you can either assume Saruman is done talking or you can pick up  from some point in his argument.
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