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The Axe of Doriath
von
The_Necromancer0
am 10 Okt, 2016 09:30
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THE AXE OF DORIATH
In the game:
Galadriel gives Grimbeorn a new axe that was forged in Doriath during the First Age, in order to contest the Evil. The gift grants Grimbeorn a new AOE attack and will strengthen all Beornings in his vicinity.
The people of Doriath suffered greatly the constant pressure of Morgoth and of Fëanor's Sons at their borders; the weapon will just symbolise the same determination to contest the darkness as the one of the Skin-changers during the Third Age of Arda. Endurance was exactly one of the most fundamental traits of this millenary realm.
''Grimbeorn, thou bearest grave tasks on thy shoulders. The Lady desireth to bestow upon thee the blessing of her people. Accept this as a gift, gallant guard of the forest. It is a silver axe of Doriath. Don't fall prey of prejudice, for its simple fashion hideth more. An ancient queen of millennia ago bewitched its blade and on the metal cast her powerful magic. Naught the axe suffereth from the passing of time, nor doth it rust as the other arts of the mortal kind. May it avail thee much in battle. Were thou to meet the Evil on thy path, thou shalt cut it apart.''
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Ealendril (he agrees with the general idea)
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Tiberius OgdenThis thread sprouted from the user Secret Keeper who suggested the concept of allowing Grimbeorn to be affected by Galadriel's "Gifts of Lorien". Below was my suggestion to the concept:
I like this idea, let me try to give my perspective. Galadriel knows of what has happened to Grimbeorn's people and should gift him with some power or weapon that would allow him to preserve the remains of his people. Here are the possible gifts of Galadriel:
Blessing of Galadriel:
Galadriel blesses Grimbeorn with the power of Nenya and gives him the power to preserve his people. All Beornings and Homsteads gain an health and armor boost.
Sindar Axe:
Galadriel gifts to Gimbeorn an ancient Sindar axe from the first age which with every strike strengthen nearby Beornings and allows him to regain some health.
Here are my two suggestions to the idea, I find the concept interesting and definitely worth some exploring.
Those were my thoughts on the matter back there but they have changed a bit due to the feedback from other users and I've now changed it a bit to this:
Axe from DoriathGaladriel gives Grimbeorn an ancient axe from the First Age forged with the sole purpose to oppose evil. The Axe is large but light allowing Grimbeorn to strike with an AOE along with that it's magic properties strengthen nearby Beornings, making them more resistant (increase in armor and health).
Thoughts?
Edited by
DieWalküre
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#1
von
Walküre
am 10 Okt, 2016 12:02
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A very wise choice to have opened a new thread. I will quote my own remark about the possibility of this suggestion and my view. Albeit not feeling like participating in the discussion in very gameplay or balance precise terms, I really appreciate the conceptual reference to Doriath and so to the Elder Days of Arda. I deem it a very sound basis to start from.
Although I'm not really sure about the propriety of granting Galadriel's gifts even to characters that aren't Elves or Hobbits (members of the Fellowship, by the way), if we were to consider a suitable concept, I would choose the latter one too: Galadriel hands to Grimbeorn an old axe belonging to the lost kingdom of Doriath (or to the ancient Nandor of Beleriand), which will serve him to fight the Evil as it had done in the Elder Days (in the hands of valiant Elven warriors). The people of Doriath suffered greatly the constant pressure of Morgoth at their borders; the weapon will just symbolise the same determination to contest the darkness as the one of the Skin-changers during the Third Age of Arda.
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#2
von
DrHouse93
am 10 Okt, 2016 12:30
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Even if I never use Grimbeorn in a match, this looks like a nice minor addition, so I agree to give him the Axe from Doriath^^
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#3
von
Slawek56703
am 10 Okt, 2016 13:05
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Galadriel gives Grimbeorn an ancient axe from the First Age forged with the sole purpose to oppose evil. The Axe is large but light allowing Grimbeorn to strike with an AOE along with that it's magic properties strengthen nearby Beornings, making them more resistant (increase in armor and health).
Thats great idea finally Grimbeorn get a gift from Lady Galadriel but i have some question .This means Grimbeorn get new weapon or his weapon gets some aura (blue for example) around it?
AOE bonus sounds good but i think armor and health bonus would be too much . How about resistance to trample for Beornings and his heal spell heal all Beornings around as a bonus ?
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#4
von
Hamanathnath
am 10 Okt, 2016 13:33
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#5
von
WarOfTheRingVeteran
am 11 Okt, 2016 19:53
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Axe from Doriath
Galadriel gives Grimbeorn an ancient axe from the First Age forged with the sole purpose to oppose evil. The Axe is large but light allowing Grimbeorn to strike with an AOE along with that it's magic properties strengthen nearby Beornings, making them more resistant (increase in armor and health).
I like the idea of the axe offering Grimbeorn and his people defense-orientated powers, it very much suits the place where it comes from, Doriath, lit. Land of the Fence, which was known for its line of defense against attacks from Melkor.
So yeah, great idea
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#6
von
Fredius
am 11 Okt, 2016 20:41
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Love this idea! I wonder how an Elvish axe would look like, perhaps something like this?
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#7
von
Julio229
am 11 Okt, 2016 20:46
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I think I prefer the axe one too, it is great conceptually-wise, I think.
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#8
von
The_Necromancer0
am 11 Okt, 2016 22:10
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Love this idea! I wonder how an Elvish axe would look like, perhaps something like this?
That's an interesting elvish axe you've got here Fredius
I didn't know the elves were such fans of wolves and skulls. But I like the main concept, I think it should definitely look something like that but perhaps more white. It has to "feel" light.
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#9
von
WarOfTheRingVeteran
am 11 Okt, 2016 22:25
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#10
von
Walküre
am 11 Okt, 2016 22:42
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I like the concept proposed by Fredius, though I also agree with Necro about a whiter and brighter design: the sort of fancy/magical stuff the Eldar are well acquainted with
Let's not forget that anything Doriath-related is nonetheless imbued with Melian's prowess, and crafted by the finest Sindarin blacksmiths
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#11
von
Fredius
am 12 Okt, 2016 01:42
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Yes yes ofcourse more Elvish hahaha. The reason I chose this one is because of the blade; it has a very elegant round form, and at the same time it's practical and not too fantasy like. If we remove the skull, spikes, and give the blade Elvish patterns or inscriptions it should be fine. Maybe a bit of gold influences here and there would be the cherry on top.
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#12
von
Garlodur
am 12 Okt, 2016 13:47
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I do want to point out that any gift to Grimbeorn should also affect his bear form.
In the current setting I feel that Beorningers, including Grimbeorn, are not strong enough in their bear form, being too vulnerable to spears. If we increase the usefulness of the human form, the balance is completely lost.
I feel the concept should adequately consider the impact of Galadriel's gift on Grimbeorn's bear form as well, possibly increasing his unit support to fellow Beorningers. I absolutely support the idea of the axe, as it is the strongest aspect of the aggressive side of Grimbeorn's personality. On the other side, however, a certain blessing should be bestowed to the bear transformation, perhaps in the form of armour boost towards himself and surrounding Beorningers.
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#13
von
The_Necromancer0
am 12 Okt, 2016 14:26
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Agreed, the upgrade should definitely affect both the human form and bear form. Maybe it might be possible to make it that depending on the form in which Grimbeorn is it will boost the same form for Beornings? (e.g. when in human form, human beornings gain a boost and when in bear form, bear beornings gain a boost) or would it be more balanced to just make it that it affects both forms regardless of Grimbeorn's appearance?
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#14
von
Garlodur
am 13 Okt, 2016 14:02
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Depends on what boosts make sense with the shape. I feel quite cross with giving Grimbeorn a leadership because neither humans like Beorningers or bears in nature seem particularly fond of being dominated, let alone led by only one leader.
I agree that Grimbeorn is a technical leader as well as the strongest of the Beorningers, but I am pretty sure that every single one of them could defend their own house against tons of Orcs. They do not need support in that sense. Perhaps some sort of debuff to enemies that stacks with the amount of Beorningers near Grimbeorn would emphasise the fact that a pack of bears/great men is about to crush the enemy.