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The_Necromancer0:
Those are all the units there are, I'll add the categories as we agree on them so anybody wishing to participate can immediately catch up to where we are or discuss any of the chosen categories.

A
Ambassadors from the Ringlo Vale - Swordsmen
Angmar Tribute - Support
Archers from Morthond - Archer
Arkenguard - Swordsmen, Elite
Army of the Dead - Swordsmen
Arnor Archers - Archer
Arnor Knights - Cavalry
Axe Fighters from Lossarnach - Swordsmen
Axe Throwers - Archer
B
Battering Ram- Siege
Battlewagon - Single, Support
Beorning - Single
Black Knights - Heroic, Cavalry
Black Riders - Heroic, Cavalry, Swordsmen
Black Uruk Archers - Elite, Archer
Black Uruk-Hais - Elite, Swordsmen
Blade Masters of Rivendell - Elite, Swordsmen
Bone Crushers - Elite, Swordsmen

C
Caras Galadhon Guards - Heroic, Archer
Carn Dûm Bowmen - Elite, Archer
Carn Dûm Pikemen - Elite, Pikemen
Carn Dûm Swordsmen - Elite, Swordsmen
Castellans - Heroic, Swordsmen
Catapult - Siege

D
Dale Bowmen - Archer
Dale Spearmen - Pikemen
Dale Swordsmen - Swordsmen
Demolisher - Siege
Dire Wolves - Swordsmen
Dol Amroth Soldiers - Elite, Swordsmen
Dol Guldur Archers - Archer
Dol Guldur Orcs - Swordsmen
Dol Guldur Pikemen - Pikemen
Dragon Slayer - Elite, Single, (Swordsmen)
Druedain Archers - Archer
Drummer Troll - Elite, Single, (Support)
Dunedain Pikemen (Arnor) - Pikemen
Dunedain Rangers (Imladris) - Archer
Dunedain Soldiers (Arnor) - Swordsmen
Dunedain Spearmen (Imladris) - Pikemen
Dunedain Swordsmen (Imladris) - Swordsmen
Dunland Spearmen - Pikemen
Dwarven Archers - Archer
Dwarven Crossbowmen - Archer

E
Earth Shaker - Siege
Easterlings - Pikemen
Elfhelm - Elite, Swordsmen,Pikemen,Cavalry
Elkriders - Elite, Archer,Cavalry
Elven Minstrel  - Single, Support
Ent - Elite, Single, Siege
Erebor Catapult - Siege
Ered Luin Catapult - Siege
Erkenbrand - Elite, Swordsmen,Pikemen,Cavalry
Exiles - Cavalry
Explosive Mine - Siege
F
Farmhands - Pikemen

G
Galadhrim - Elite, Swordsmen,Archer
Glorfindel's Wind Riders - Heroic, Cavalry
Gondor Archers - Archer
Gondor Knights - Elite, Cavalry
Gondor Pikemen - Pikemen
Gondor Soldiers - Swordsmen
Gorthaur's Werewolves - Elite, Single
Grimbold - Elite, Swordsmen,Pikemen,Cavalry
Grond - Moved to Hero Status
Guardians of Erebor - Swordsmen
Guardians of Ered Luin - Swordsmen
Guardians of the Citadel - Heroic, Swordsmen,Pikemen
Guardians of the Iron Hills - Swordsmen
Guardians of the White City - Heroic, Swordsmen
Gundabad Warriors - Swordsmen

H
Halberdiers of Cirith Ungol - Elite, Pikemen
Haradrim Lancers - Cavalry
Hill Troll - Elite, Single, Siege
Hobbit Bowmen - Archer
Hobbits - Swordsmen, Archer
Hunters - Elite, Archer

I
Imladris Catapult - Siege
Iron Hills Catapult - Siege
Ironbreakers - Elite, Swordsmen
Isengard Orcs - Swordsmen
Isengard Scouts - Swordsmen, Archer
Ithilien Rangers - Elite, Archer

K
Knights of Dol Amroth - Heroic, Cavalry

L
Lake-Town Bowmen - Archer
Lake-Town Spearmen - Pikemen
Lesser Wraith - Single, Support
Lindon Guardians - Heroic, Swordsmen,Archer
Loremaster - Single, Support
Lorien Archers - Archer
Lorien Pikemen - Pikemen
Lorien Warriors - Swordsmen

M
Mine Berserker - Single, Siege
Mirkwood Archers - Archer
Mirkwood Border Guards - Archer
Mirkwood Spiders - Cavalry
Mirkwood Swordsmen - Swordsmen
Monster Killers from Pelargir - Pikemen
Morgul Archers - Archer
Morgul Orc Warriors - Swordsmen
Morgul Pikemen - Pikemen
Morgul Riders - Heroic, Cavalry
Morgul Shadow - Single
Mountain Troll - Single, Siege
Mumak - Elite, Single, Cavalry

O
Onager - Siege
Orc Archers - Archer
Orc Laborer - Single, Support
Orc Overseer - Single, Support
Orc Pikemen - Pikemen
Orc Slayers - Elite, Swordsmen
Orc Warriors - Swordsmen

P
Palace Guards (Arnor) - Elite, Swordsmen
Palace Guards (Lothlorien) - Elite, Pikemen
Palantir Guards of Amon Sul - Heroic, Swordsmen,Pikemen
Peasants - Swordsmen
Phalanx of Erebor - Pikemen
Phalanx of Ered Luin - Pikemen
Phalanx of the Iron Hills - Pikemen

R
Rangers of the Grey Company - Archer
Rhudaur Spearmen - Pikemen
Rhun Halberdier Warriors - Elite, Swordsmen
Rivendell Archers - Elite, Archer
Rivendell Lancers - Elite, Cavalry
Rivendell Spearmen - Elite, Pikemen
Rivendell Swordsmen - Elite, Swordsmen
Rohan Captain - Elite, Swordsmen,Pikemen,Cavalry
Rohirrim - Cavalry
Rohirrim Archers - Elite, Archer/Cavalry
Rohirrim of the Eastfold - Cavalry
Royal Guards - Heroic, Cavalry
Royal Vanguards - Cavalry

S
Scout of the Iron Hills (Ram Riders) - Single, Support > Elite, Cavalry
Shadow Guards - Heroic, Swordsmen
Shield Uruks - Support, Elite
Siege Ballista - Siege
Siege Ladder - Siege
Siege Tower - Siege
Sorcerers - Support
Spear Throwers - Elite, Archer

T
The Unburnt - Elite, Swordsmen
Thrall Master - Single, Support
Tower Guards - Elite, Pikemen
Trebuchet - Siege
Troll Catapult - Siege
Troll Stone Thrower - Siege
U
Ugluk Scouts - Single
Uruk Berserker - Single
Uruk Crossbowmen - Archer
Uruk Pikemen - Pikemen
Uruk-Hai - Swordsmen

V
Veterans of Khazad Dum - Heroic, Swordsmen
Veterans of the Last Alliance - Heroic, Swordsmen

W
Warg Archers - (Elite) Archer/Cavalry
Warg Riders - Cavalry
Werewolf - Elite, Single
Wight - Single
Wildmen Axe Throwers - Archer
Wildmen of Dunland - Swordsmen
Wolf Riders - Cavalry

Y
Yeoman - Archer

Z
Zealots - Swordsmen

The_Necromancer0:
Crazy week, I finally have second to myself though so I thought I'd take that time to start of the debate with the letters A & B, here is my insight on the categories for units starting with the letters A & B:

Ambassadors from the Ringlo Vale - Swordsmen
Angmar Tribute - Support
Archers from Morthond - Archer
Arkenguard - Swordsmen, Elite
Army of the Dead - Elite, Swordsmen
Arnor Archers - Archer
Arnor Knights - Cavalry
Axe Fighters from Lossarnach - Swordsmen
Axe Throwers - Archer

Battering Ram- Siege
Battlewagon - Cavalry
Beorning - Elite, Cavalry, Swordsmen
Black Knights - Heroic, Cavalry
Black Riders - Heroic, Cavalry, Swordsmen
Black Uruk Archers - Heroic, Archer
Black Uruk-Hais - Heroic, Swordsmen
Blade Masters of Rivendell - Elite, Swordsmen
Bone Crushers - Elite, Swordsmen

The only one I'm not sure about is the army of the dead, I'm not sure what they would be classified as. So if anybody has any other opinion about any of these units make sure to mention it. Our goal by the end of this is to have a consistent category system with only a few exceptions.

Garlodur:
Let me do C till the end then:


Some adjustments on the following:
Army of the Dead - Elite, Swordsmen
Battlewagon - Cavalry Single, (Support)
Beorning - Elite Single, Cavalry, Swordsmen
Black Riders - Heroic, Cavalry, Swordsmen Swordsmen/Cavalry
Black Uruk Archers - Heroic Elite, Archer
Black Uruk-Hais - Heroic Elite, Swordsmen

Caras Galadhon Guards - Heroic, Archer
Carn Dûm Bowmen - Elite, Archer
Carn Dûm Pikemen - Elite, Pikemen
Carn Dûm Swordsmen - Elite, Swordsmen
Castellans - Heroic, Swordsmen
Catapult - Siege

Dale Bowmen - Archer
Dale Spearmen - Pikemen
Dale Swordsmen - Swordsmen
Demolisher - Siege
Dire Wolves - Swordsmen
Dol Amroth Soldiers - Elite, Swordsmen
Dol Guldur Archers - Archer
Dol Guldur Orcs - Swordsmen
Dol Guldur Pikemen - Pikemen
Dragon Slayer - Elite, Single, (Swordsmen)
Druedain Archers - Archer
Drummer Troll - Elite, Single, (Support)
Dunedain Pikemen (Arnor) - Pikemen
Dunedain Rangers (Imladris) - Archer
Dunedain Soldiers (Arnor) - Swordsmen
Dunedain Spearmen (Imladris) - Pikemen
Dunedain Swordsmen (Imladris) - Swordsmen
Dunland Spearmen - Pikemen
Dwarven Archers - Archer
Dwarven Crossbowmen - Archer

Earth Shaker - Siege
Easterlings - Pikemen
Elfhelm - Elite, Swordsmen/Pikemen/Cavalry
Elkriders - Elite, Archer/Cavalry
Elven Minstrel  - Single, Support
Ent - Elite, Single, (Siege)
Erebor Catapult - Siege
Ered Luin Catapult - Siege
Erkenbrand - Elite, Swordsmen/Pikemen/Cavalry
Exiles - (Elite, unless their strenght compares to other 15-unit battalions like Gondor Soldiers, Dale Swordsmen), Swordsmen/Pikemen
Explosive Mine - Siege

Farmhands - Pikemen

Galadhrim - Elite, Swordsmen/Archer
Glorfindel's Wind Riders - Heroic, Cavalry
Gondor Archers - Archer
Gondor Knights - Elite, Cavalry
Gondor Pikemen - Pikemen
Gondor Soldiers - Swordsmen
Gorthaur's Werewolves - Elite, Single
Grimbold - Elite, Swordsmen/Pikemen/Cavalry
Grond - Siege
Guardians of Erebor - Swordsmen
Guardians of Ered Luin - Swordsmen
Guardians of the Citadel - Heroic, Swordsmen/Pikemen
Guardians of the Iron Hills - Swordsmen
Guardians of the White City - Heroic, Swordsmen
Gundabad Warriors - Swordsmen

Halberdiers of Cirith Ungol - Elite, Pikemen
Haradrim Lancers - Cavalry
Hill Troll - Elite, Single (Siege)
Hobbit Bowmen - Archer
Hobbits - Swordsmen, Archer
Hunters - Elite, Archer

Imladris Catapult - Siege
Iron Hills Catapult - Siege
Ironbreakers - Elite, Swordsmen
Isengard Orcs - Swordsmen
Isengard Scouts - Swordsmen, Archer
Ithilien Rangers - Elite, Archer

Knights of Dol Amroth - Heroic, Cavalry

Lake-Town Bowmen - Archer
Lake-Town Spearmen - Pikemen
Lesser Wraith - Single, (Support)
Lindon Guardians - Heroic, Swordsmen/Archer
Loremaster - Single, (Support)
Lorien Archers - Archer
Lorien Pikemen - Pikemen
Lorien Warriors - Swordsmen

Mine Berserker - Single, (Siege)
Mirkwood Archers - Archer
Mirkwood Border Guards - Archer
Mirkwood Guards Same as above
Mirkwood Spiders - Cavalry
Mirkwood Swordsmen - Swordsmen
Monster Killers from Pelargir - Pikemen
Morgul Archers - Archer
Morgul Orc Warriors - Swordsmen
Morgul Pikemen - Pikemen
Morgul Riders - Heroic, Cavalry
Morgul Shadow - Single
Mountain Troll - Single, (Siege)
Mumak - Elite, Single, (Cavalry)

Onager - Siege
Orc Archers - Archer
Orc Laborer - Single, (Support)
Orc Overseer - Single, Support
Orc Pikemen - Pikemen
Orc Slayers - Elite, Swordsmen
Orc Warriors - Swordsmen

Palace Guards (Arnor) - Elite, Swordsmen
Palace Guards (Lothlorien) - Elite, Pikemen
Palantir Guards of Amon Sul - Heroic, Swordsmen/Pikemen
Peasants - Swordsmen
Phalanx of Erebor - Pikemen
Phalanx of Ered Luin - Pikemen
Phalanx of the Iron Hills - Pikemen

Rangers of the Grey Company - Archer (Strenghts like Dúnedain Rangers from Imladris or Ithilién Rangers??)
Rhudaur Spearmen - Pikemen
Rhun Halberdier Warriors - Elite, Swordsmen
Rivendell Archers - Elite, Archer
Rivendell Lancers - Elite, Cavalry
Rivendell Spearmen - Elite, Pikemen
Rivendell Swordsmen - Elite, Swordsmen
Rohan Captain - Elite, Swordsmen/Pikemen/Cavalry
Rohirrim - Cavalry
Rohirrim Archers - Elite, Archer/Cavalry
Rohirrim of the Eastfold - Cavalry
Royal Guards - Heroic, Cavalry
Royal Vanguards - Cavalry

Scout of the Iron Hills (Ram Riders) - Single, Support > Elite, Cavalry
Shadow Guards - Heroic, Swordsmen
Shield Uruks - Support
Siege Ballista - Siege
Siege Ladder - Siege
Siege Tower - Siege
Sorcerers - Support
Spear Throwers - Elite, Archer

The Unburnt - Elite, Swordsmen
Thrall Master - Single, (Support)
Tower Guards - Elite, Pikemen
Trebuchet - Siege
Troll Catapult - Siege
Troll Stone Thrower - Siege

Ugluk Scouts - Single
Uruk Berserker - Single
Uruk Crossbowmen - Archer
Uruk Pikemen - Pikemen
Uruk-Hai - Swordsmen

Veterans of Khazad Dum - Heroic, Swordsmen
Veterans of the Last Alliance - Heroic, Swordsmen

Warg Archers - (Elite) Archer/Cavalry
Warg Riders - Cavalry
Werewolf - Elite, Single
Wight - Single
Wildmen Axe Throwers - Archer
Wildmen of Dunland - Swordsmen
Wolf Riders - Cavalry

Yeoman - Archer

Zealots - Swordsmen

The most important issue with the Single category is that units that fall under it have different strenghts and weaknesses. This is why they do not easily fall under the Swordsmen/Cavalry etc. classification as their mechanics take a bend slightly outside the rock-paper-scissors system that ET holds. For example, Battlewagons miss the strength of real cavalry against buildings, but have extra support functions; similar issue with Beorning who transgresses categories. I believe this is the essence of Single units: an individual unit that does more or less what a combination of several categories describes. This is not the same as hybrid units like Galadhrim or Guardians of the Citadel, who have strengths depending on the situation. For indication purposes I have added in brackets the most fitting secondary categorisation for Single units.

The_Necromancer0:
Very impressive work, I didn't expect all to be done so quickly, allow me to feedback on it all, since you've done it all I will merely mention the one I disagree with, I also encourage anyone who stumbles on this post to comment their thoughts on the way the units have been categorised.

Black Riders - Heroic, Cavalry, Swordsmen, Swordsmen/Cavalry
I think I understand your reasoning for this one but the Swordsmen/Cavalry category is a very niche category, having it would lead to people having a harder time finding units like these, at best I would prefer if we had the Cavalry, Swordsmen and Cavalry/Swordsmen categories so that user can find both the that specific unit through either the Cavalry or Swordsmen categories in addition to finding similar units through the Swordsmen/Cavalry category.

Earth Shaker - Siege, Elite
Elkriders - Elite, Archer/Cavalry, Archer, Cavalry
Similar reasoning as above, in addition they possess both the properties of Cavalry (trample) and Archers (ranged attack).
Erkenbrand - Elite, Swordsmen/Pikemen/Cavalry, Swordsmen, Pikemen, Cavalry
Exiles - Cavalry (I think you might have confused them with something else)
Explosive Mine - Siege, Elite

Galadhrim - Elite, Swordsmen/Archer, Swordsmen, Archer
Gondor Knights - Elite, Cavalry
Grimbold - Elite, Swordsmen,Pikemen,Cavalry
Grond - Siege, Heroic
Guardians of the Citadel - Heroic, Swordsmen/Pikemen, Swordsmen, Pikemen

Lindon Guardians - Heroic, Swordsmen/Archer, Swordsmen, Archer

Palantir Guards of Amon Sul - Heroic, Swordsmen/Pikemen, Swordsmen, Pikemen

Rangers of the Grey Company - Archer (Trying to find their stats, will take a bit longer)
Rohan Captain -Elite, Swordsmen,Pikemen,Cavalry
Rohirrim Archers - Elite, Archer,Cavalry

Shield Uruks - Support,Elite

Troll Catapult - Siege, Elite

Warg Archers - Elite, Archer,Cavalry

Everything sounds pretty good and unless anybody has anything else to say about them I'll add them to the list and we can debate those last few.

Garlodur:
Thank you for your response. In fact, it didn't take me much time. It's all in my head  :o

I agree with your decision to take out the hybrid categories. I myself did not know so well what to do with them. They do not deserve their own category but otherwise it needs to be made very clear that these units wield different weapons.

I do have some comments, however, about other things

Earth Shaker - Siege, Elite
I understand your decision to assign the Elite category to them, but with 700 cost and limited use I see them not much better than Dwarven Catapults. Anyway, it seems the concept of this unit is changing with the next version 4.5, so we can leave it as is.

Exiles - Cavalry (I think you might have confused them with something else)
I indeed confused them with the Traitors of Rohan summoned by Theoden. This is the proper categorisation.

Explosive Mine - Siege, Elite
Similar issue as with Earth Shaker; the Mine's functioning is restricted by external activation. Still, it is much cheaper than a Ballista for the actual damage, which I think is what you based the Elite categorisation on.

Gondor Knights - Elite, Cavalry
Here I disagree strongly with you. The cost of Gondor Knights designates them as Elite units, and in comparison they will be much stronger than Rohirrim (of the Eastfold) who are light cavalry, costing only 400.

Grond - Siege, Heroic
Funny that you consider Grond heroic. Since I take Heroic units to be high-tier units in battalions of five (ignoring Rivendell's unique mechanics) Grond would not fit in here. Instead, why don't we add Grond to the Hero category as a Building Destroyer?

Shield Uruks - Support,Elite
Again I understand the Elite categorisation

Troll Catapult - Siege, Elite
Understandable choice to add the Elite category, since this would be the most exemplary Siege unit in it. Problem is that it's the only one. How about not adding Elite/Heroic to Siege units? The reason is that all siege weapons are placed in a niche of function and efficiency, even slightly varying between factions.

I am glad we agree at other points, it makes this process very transparent. Nevertheless, if someone has questions regarding the classification, I am happy to explain the premises I held.

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