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The_Necromancer0:
This process is moving quickly along the way, not much left to do. I agree with the siege things, after a bit of thinking it makes sense for siege to be unclassifiable since most late game siege is more unique rather than stronger, apart from the Troll Catapult, but that's the only case. So agree on keeping it just siege and on most of the other points. Only two point remain on which I disagree:

Gondor Knights - Elite, Cavalry
So, I decided the best way to settle this was to look at the number and you're right, they are as strong as the Meduseld Cavalry summoned by Rohan Captains. So, definitely agree on their Elite classification here.

Grond - Siege, Heroic
Uhm...That's a good question. Let me think about it a bit more, also if anybody has thoughts on the matter make sure to write them down, I'm not sure about this one.

Also, I've updated my original post with all the categories we've agreed on, but anybody is free to debate them if they wish.

Gandalf7000:
Grond should definetly be heroic (well you can make on;y one Grond per game).

OakenShield224:

--- Zitat von: Gandalf7000 am  1. Dez 2016, 16:27 ---Grond should definetly be heroic (well you can make on;y one Grond per game).

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Agree.

Garlodur:
I am very nitpicky about the categorisation of units in this case.

The thing with Grond is that it does not follow the premises of a heroic unit, who always come in battalions of five and with a build limit of three (with the exception of Boromir's Guardians of the White City, of whom you can have 9). Furthermore, I agree that like heroic units Grond is harder to obtain due to restrictions in the early and middle game. As such he appears in late game exclusively.

I would actually argue to make Grond a Hero for a few reasons: you can make only one , it gets own selection icon at the bottom of the UI, and it deals incredible damage for the long time it takes to take it down. On top of that, he has a name and a unique place in the tales of Middle-Earth, allegedly being the same Hammer of the Underworld Morgoth held and what not.

If people say he does not belong to the Hero category, I would say to look at heroes like Treebeard, Quickbeam, or summoned heroes (Eagles, Tom Bombadil, Rogash), none of whom have a full palantír of abilities but have significant strengths of their own. Grond is one of such heroes, less traditional but more unique than standard heroes.

Trondheim9:
I wasn't sure what to think about the topic of Grond, but I think Garlodur makes some good arguments and therefore I would support Grond being a Hero too.  It may not be like conventional heroes, but in my opinion it fits the hero category better than the heroic category. 

 
--- Zitat von: Garlodur am  6. Dez 2016, 21:44 ---On top of that, he has a name and a unique place in the tales of Middle-Earth, allegedly being the same Hammer of the Underworld Morgoth held and what not.

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(it was only named after Morgoth's Hammer, but I think the point you made is still valid.)

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