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Garlodur:
Thanks for the support!

Next up, the hero categories. I feel that in general they are quite correct, but I would like to change the premises for how they are organised. The biggest problem I have is that some hero roles are defined by a single ability only, disregarding the general feel of said hero.

Example: Elrond is quite a versatile hero, having the leadership over the Imladris faction. But his categorisation of Hero Supporter only is incorrect. I understand his Restoration ability is iconic and very powerful, but his Mass Slayer abilties (Rage of the Loudwater, Vilya's Wrath mainly, Mount that tramples, passive with area-of-effect damage) are negelcted in this role.

I understand The_Necromancer0 copied the roles given by ET, but some of their concepts have changed into other directions sometimes, thus favouring a recategorisation.

What are your thoughts on this hero and do you have other striking examples of misfits?

The_Necromancer0:
I think proceeding the same we we already have is the best way to go along this, the heroes because their role is up to interpretation are not as consistent as the units. The best way to do this I suggest is to stick one or two roles maximum per heroes, (except for Sauron who thanks to his forms can fill out several roles.) I've posted the list of heroes below to be edited later, if anybody wants to start this go right on ahead.

A
Aragorn
Aranarth
Araphant
Arwen

B
Balin
Bard
Beregond
Bilbo Baggins
Bill Ferny
Bofur
Brand

C
Carthaen
Celeborn
Cirdan

D
Dark Marshal
Denethor
Drar
Drauglin
Dwalin
Dáin
Dûrmarth

E
Elladan and Elrohir
Eomer
Eowyn

F
Faramir
Fili
Frodo

G
Gamling
Gandalf
Ghan-Buri-Ghan
Gildor
Gimli
Gloin
Glorfindel
Gorbag/Shagrat
Gothmog
Great Goblin
Grima Wormtongue
Grimbeorn
Gulzár
Gwaihir

H
Halbarad
Haldir
Hama
Helegwen
Hwaldar

I
Imrahil

K
Karsh
Khamul
Kili

L
Legolas
Lurtz

M
Malbeth
Merry
Mollok
Mornamarth
Mouth of Sauron
Murin

N
Narin
Nori
P
Pippin

Q
Quickbeam

R
Radagast
Rogash
Rumil & Orophin

S
Sam
Shadow Lord
Sharku
Shelob

T
Tauriel
Thorin III
Thorin III Stonehelm
Thranduil
Théodred
Treebeard

U
Ugluk

W
Witch-King (Angmar)
Witch-King (Mordor)
Wulfgar

Z
Zaphragor
EDIT: I'll also be patching the units with the categories we have discussed.

Garlodur:
All right, here we go.

I limited most hero categorisations to the maximum of two roles which are most characteristic of each hero. I prefer including whether the secondary role a hero has is important to mention, but not present in the core concept. However, exceptions need to be made and sometimes roles change when the hero gains the Ring, I will indicate this accordingly.


A
Anárion - Unit Supporter
Aragorn - Hero Killer with Hero Supporter aspect
Aranarth - Hero Supporter with Hero Killer aspect
Araphant - Unit Supporter
Arvedui - Tank and Unit Supporter (Ring: Tank and Hero Supporter)
Arwen - Hero Supporter

B
Balin - Hero Supporter
Bandobras Took - Hero Interferer
Bard - Special Unit Supporter with Hero (=Monster) Killer aspect
Beorn - Mass Slayer
Beregond - Building and Hero Supporter
Bilbo Baggins - Scout
Bill Ferny - Scout
Bofur - Building Destroyer
Boromir - Tank and Unit Supporter
Brand - All-Rounder and Unit Supporter

C
Carthaen - Scout
Celeborn - Hero Killer
Cirdan - Unit and Building Supporter (currently; future will be Building and Siege/Special Unit Supporter)

D
Dark Marshal - Unit Interferer with Scout Aspect (Ring Hunter form)
Denethor - Unit Supporter with Building Supporter aspect
Drar - Building Destroyer with Tank aspect
Drauglin - Scout and All-Rounder
Dwalin - Mass Slayer
Dáin (Iron Hills) - Unit Supporter with Building Supporter aspect (Ring: Unit and Building Supporter)
Dáin (Erebor) - Unit Supporter (Ring: Special Unit Supporter)
Dûrmarth - Hero Interferer and Hero Supporter

E
Eärnur - Hero Killer
Elendil - Building Destroyer
Elladan and Elrohir - Hero Killer
Elrond - Mass Slayer and Unit Supporter
Eomer (Rohan) - Mass Slayer and Unit Interferer
Eomer (Gondor) - Mass Slayer
Eowyn - Hero Killer

F
Faramir - All-Rounder and Special Unit Supporter
Fellowship of the Ring - All-Rounder and Mass Slayer
Fili - Hero Supporter
Frodo - Scout

G
Galadriel - Building Destroyer and Hero Supporter (Storm Queen: Building Destroyer and Unit Interferer; Blessed: Building Destroyer and Unit Supporter)
Gamling - Special Unit Supporter
Gandalf - Mass Slayer with Hero Killer aspect
Ghan-Buri-Ghan - Unit Support with Hero Interferer aspect
Gildor - Scout with Hero Interferer aspect
Gil-galad - Tank
Gimli - Mass Slayer
Gloin - Building Destroyer
Glorfindel - Tank
Gorbag/Shagrat - Scout
Gorthaur - Hero Killer with Mass Slayer and Building Interferer aspect
Gothmog - Unit Supporter
Great Goblin - Unit Supporter
Grima Wormtongue - Hero Interferer
Grimbeorn - Mass Slayer
Grishnakh - Hero Killer and Scout
Gulzár - Mass Slayer and Unit Interferer
Gwaihir - Mass Slayer

H
Halbarad (Imladris) - All-Rounder and Special Unit Supporter
Halbarad (Gondor) - Hero Supporter
Haldir (Lothlórien) - All-Rounder and Unit Supporter
Haldir (Rohan) - All-Rounder
Hama - Tank and Unit Supporter
Helegwen - Unit and Building Interferer
Hwaldar - Building Destroyer

I
Imrahil - Special Unit Supporter
Isildur - Hero Killer

K
Karsh - Tank
Khamul - Building Destroyer
Kili - Hero Supporter
King of the Oathbreakers - Unit Interferer

L
Legolas - Mass Slayer
Lurtz - Hero Killer

M
Malbeth - Unit and Hero Supporter
Mauhur - Scout
Merry - Scout
Mollok - Building Destroyer and Mass Slayer
Mornamarth - Special Unit Supporter with Mass Slayer aspect
Mouth of Sauron - Unit and Hero Interferer
Murin - Tank

N
Narin - Special Unit and Hero Supporter
Necromancer - Unit and Building Supporter
Nori - Scout

P
Pippin - Scout

Q
Quickbeam - Building Destroyer

R
Radagast - Unit Supporter and Interferer
Rogash - Mass Slayer
Rumil & Orophin - Scout

S
Sam - Scout
Shadow Lord - Unit Interferer
Sharku - Special Unit Supporter and Hero Interferer
Shelob - Hero Killer Interferer
Saruman - Mass Slayer and Unit Supporter (Blessed: Mass Slayer and Unit Supporter; Cursed: Mass Slayer and Building Supporter)
Sauron (Ring) - All-Rounder

T
Tauriel - Hero Interferer
Thorin II Oakenshield - Tank and Unit Supporter
Thorin III Stonehelm - Hero Killer
Thranduil - Tank and Special Unit Supporter
Théoden (Rohan) - Unit and Hero Supporter (Ring: Unit and Hero Supporter)
Théoden (Gondor) - Unit Supporter
Théodred - Building Supporter
Tom Bombadil - Mass Slayer
Treebeard - Building Destroyer and Special Unit Supporter

U
Ugluk - Special Unit Supporter with Hero Interferer aspect

W
Witch-King (Angmar) - Mass Slayer with Hero Interferer aspect (Ring: additionally, Building Interferer)
Witch-King (Mordor) - Hero Killer with Mass Slayer aspect
Wulfgar - Building Destroyer and Special Unit Supporter

Z
Zaphragor - Hero Killer and Mass Slayer


NOTES: I used the Monster Killer category once, for Bard, which obviously fits within Hero Killer category but I feel this distinction must be made explicit in some way.

On Special Unit Supporter
The hero has leadership abilities that do not function indiscriminately for all friendly units, but rather units of a specific type only (Thranduil supports Mirkwood-units, Brand supports Dale-units). This should not be a separate category but I believe it should be made more explicit that some leadership abilities are limited in effect to certain units.

On scouts
The scouts, or early game hero as envisioned by the Edain Team, differ a bit amongst themselves in terms of usefulness, but they are usely an cheap version of an All-Rounder

On Hero Interferers
Heroes like Grima, Shelob, Sharku, and Tauriel are not strong enough to deal with heroes on their own, but they have their ways of temporarily reducing their strenght. Therefore I want to propose a new category: Hero Interferer.
EDIT: I found the page that corresponds to this category, so there's no need to create a new one. It seems though that it's not properly hotlinked, and as such does not appear in the Categories tab at the top of the page. http://edain.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Hero_Interferer

The_Necromancer0:
I finally had the time to look at everything and get back to you, sorry for the delay .I've had a look at your work and pretty much all of it seems on point. There are only a couple one I disagree one:
Aragorn - Hero Killer
Apart from athelas none of Aragorn's ability are meant for hero support. I think he should be only a Hero Killer.

I don't have anything to say about Arwen, she literally has one ability for each role, so I guess we'll just leave her as Hero Supporter.

For the Dark Marshal and Shadow Lord I would keep them solely as Unit Interferer. There Ring Hunter form is not nearly as important to be considered a vital part of their role.

Denethor - Unit Support
His only ability that affects building disables it for a couple seconds. I wouldn't consider it as support.

Faramir - (Special) Unit Supporter

Great Goblin - I'll just leave that one be for now, we don't know enough. It was showcased but it might have changed since then.

Malbeth - Hero Supporter

Mornamarth - Unit Supporter

Sauron is an exceptional case, his many forms (7 total) cover every role fully, so definitely on All Rouder categorization.

Everything else looks good. Also, fixed the hotlink. The menu had grown too big so I redid the menu, now you can see it all.

Garlodur:
Hi Necro,

I wanted to make a small correction to Uglúk's categorisation. It seems many people classify him as Isengard's tank hero. Not playing Isengard so often I had not realised how tanky he indeed was, so I wanted to adjust his role.

Ugluk - Tank and Special Unit Supporter with Hero Interferer aspect

And also Mauhur's categorisation should be dealt with

Mauhur - Scout and Hero Killer

There, it should be good now. Keep up the good work.  ;)

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